What he's describing can be done in any host that can loop a clip in arrange view. Again, that's almost any linear host.Slarti wrote:Pretty pricey also!ENV1 wrote:Its a while ago, but i think Orion pretty much worked like that.
Rather than a traditional timeline arrangment you have a 'sequences arranger' (or pattern sequencer) where you chain together blocks of sequences/patterns. With loop enabled you should able to record live audio of any length while the sequences just keep looping.
Trial Version: Here
What you're describing is what i'm after!
Looking for a DAW with 'non-linear' workflow
- KVRAF
- 8680 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
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- KVRist
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- 154 posts since 22 Jul, 2012 from Magrathea
No, you have to spread that looped clip out over the lenght of the recording time which, again, does not work well with recordings of undetermined lenghts!spaceman wrote:What he's describing can be done in any host that can loop a clip in arrange view. Again, that's almost any linear host.Slarti wrote:Pretty pricey also!ENV1 wrote:Its a while ago, but i think Orion pretty much worked like that.
Rather than a traditional timeline arrangment you have a 'sequences arranger' (or pattern sequencer) where you chain together blocks of sequences/patterns. With loop enabled you should able to record live audio of any length while the sequences just keep looping.
Trial Version: Here
What you're describing is what i'm after!
This is the ideal situation:
.........|-------------| . . . .\
Track 1 | short seq | . . . . \
.........|----------------| . . ./ these looped independently
Track 2.| . short seq .| . . /
.........|----------------------------
Track 3 | i m p r o v
.........|----------------------------
One should not have to cut-and-paste or draw the sequences of Tracks 1 and 2 over the timeline, instead there should be a 'per sequence loop' functionality!
- KVRian
- 1280 posts since 26 Mar, 2004 from UK
Couple of copies of Live (lite & Launchpad) going here for $35 each:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3&t=402084
You might be able to talk the seller down a bit. $35 does seem a bit much for lite editions, especially as a previous poster said, they have gone for $15-$20 before and probably will again....especially when bitwig hits the market.
HTH
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3&t=402084
You might be able to talk the seller down a bit. $35 does seem a bit much for lite editions, especially as a previous poster said, they have gone for $15-$20 before and probably will again....especially when bitwig hits the market.
HTH
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- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
Notator on the Atari ST used this kind of workflow. Each track was essentially a list of events, which could have it's own loop and other settings. Then you could arrange each list of lists into a bigger list called Arrange, which had four channels so you could have multiple patterns playing together or overlapping, each with multiple channels.Slarti wrote:No, you have to spread that looped clip out over the lenght of the recording time which, again, does not work well with recordings of undetermined lenghts!spaceman wrote:What he's describing can be done in any host that can loop a clip in arrange view. Again, that's almost any linear host.Slarti wrote:Pretty pricey also!ENV1 wrote:Its a while ago, but i think Orion pretty much worked like that.
Rather than a traditional timeline arrangment you have a 'sequences arranger' (or pattern sequencer) where you chain together blocks of sequences/patterns. With loop enabled you should able to record live audio of any length while the sequences just keep looping.
Trial Version: Here
What you're describing is what i'm after!
This is the ideal situation:
.........|-------------| . . . .\
Track 1 | short seq | . . . . \
.........|----------------| . . ./ these looped independently
Track 2.| . short seq .| . . /
.........|----------------------------
Track 3 | i m p r o v
.........|----------------------------
One should not have to cut-and-paste or draw the sequences of Tracks 1 and 2 over the timeline, instead there should be a 'per sequence loop' functionality!
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- KVRAF
- 1574 posts since 19 May, 2011 from North Carolina
If I understand correctly, methinks Renoise can approach that:
http://tutorials.renoise.com/wiki/Pattern_Editor
http://tutorials.renoise.com/wiki/Pattern_Editor
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
usine hollyhock http://www.sensomusic.com/usine/ should be able to do that. There is a free version and some old versions that are now free I think. It is quite difficult to get used to but if it suits you then should do what you want
- KVRAF
- 8680 posts since 9 Jan, 2004 from leroyaumeuni
As I said, Live is the tool for you. Record a clip one one track in session view, and another one on another track, play the clips in recording mode to record then to the arrangement, play on a third track in arrange view for the improv.Slarti wrote: No, you have to spread that looped clip out over the lenght of the recording time which, again, does not work well with recordings of undetermined lenghts!
This is the ideal situation:
.........|-------------| . . . .\
Track 1 | short seq | . . . . \
.........|----------------| . . ./ these looped independently
Track 2.| . short seq .| . . /
.........|----------------------------
Track 3 | i m p r o v
.........|----------------------------
One should not have to cut-and-paste or draw the sequences of Tracks 1 and 2 over the timeline, instead there should be a 'per sequence loop' functionality!
My other host is Bruce Forsyth
- KVRAF
- 3321 posts since 2 Jul, 2007
Audiomulch. Its native loop players and automation should do EXACTLY what you want done.Slarti wrote:.
I haven't used many DAW's until now. (Computer)Muzys in the past and now only a bit of Mulab and i 'skimmed' a tiny bit of Reaper.
My question is two-fold:
I want to work with looped melodic sequences in various tracks of different lenghts that must be looped independently and triggered 'on the fly'. Thus a DAW/sequencer with only a linear timeline is not really suited for this workflow.
Ideal would be e.g.:
Track 1 - seq. 3 bars (set to loop)
Track 2 - seq. 5 bars (set to loop)
Track 3 - record improv of undetermined lenght
Linear DAW's can do this, but one has either to cut-and-past all sequences or 'draw' them out but this doesn't cater for the improv. of undetermined lenght!
Therefore my question is: which DAW (pref. free- or budgetware) has a 'non-linear' workflow?
And secondly; which DAW (linear or otherwise) has the possibility to record in loop mode a sequence of undetermined length as a whole? (e.g. loop-time is 30 sec., recorded sequence is 3 minutes. Just a rough example).
In older days I knew that Muzys had that functionality, but alas Mulab doesn't seem to do this. .
I hope someone can help me and i await your suggestions. . .
S.
Its workflow is determined by whatever audio path you have chosen to build and with what devices in the chain. So for instance you have a stereo loop playing. You can direct either or both audio outputs to any layout of devices you choose just by connecting devices. If you already have a series of devices set up, it's no problem to take that initial audio signal and connect it to a whole nother device setup.
It's all visual. Fun to play in. You can create layouts of devices and signals that would be flatly impossible to recreate in a standard DAW.
However, no MIDI note recording, no piano roll. It only records and sends MIDI CC.
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- KVRian
- 508 posts since 9 Feb, 2012
I think Giada (or other loop-centric things that aren't quite DAWs) may be able to do something like that, but I haven't spent enough time with it...
If I may(please excuse my ignorance): Why would you want to loop a 3-bar and 5-bar sequence independently on top of each other indefinitely? I'm not knocking what you're doing, I'm just genuinely curious as to why someone would want to do that...
If I may(please excuse my ignorance): Why would you want to loop a 3-bar and 5-bar sequence independently on top of each other indefinitely? I'm not knocking what you're doing, I'm just genuinely curious as to why someone would want to do that...
- KVRAF
- 12739 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Slarti what's the prob with, in MuLab, stretching individually looped sequence parts over say 10 minutes or so. Then you got the same effect as the Loop Composition in Muzys. And so you got all the time to record your polyrhythmic improvisation. Right? Maybe i'm still missing something?Slarti wrote:This is the ideal situation:
.........|-------------| . . . .\
Track 1 | short seq | . . . . \
.........|----------------| . . ./ these looped independently
Track 2.| . short seq .| . . /
.........|----------------------------
Track 3 | i m p r o v
.........|----------------------------
One should not have to cut-and-paste or draw the sequences of Tracks 1 and 2 over the timeline, instead there should be a 'per sequence loop' functionality!
- KVRAF
- 3321 posts since 2 Jul, 2007
They will beat against each other in a most interesting way.jeffh wrote:If I may(please excuse my ignorance): Why would you want to loop a 3-bar and 5-bar sequence independently on top of each other indefinitely? I'm not knocking what you're doing, I'm just genuinely curious as to why someone would want to do that...
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- KVRian
- 508 posts since 9 Feb, 2012
Fair enough...SODDI wrote: They will beat against each other in a most interesting way.
I will share the answer: Any DAW can do it.
Step 1: Multiply 3 x 5 (or whatever x whatever)
Step 2: Loop both patterns to 15 bars (or whatever)
Step 3: Profit
Then it's just a matter of recording takes over it, then exploding the takes out...
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- KVRAF
- 1724 posts since 10 Feb, 2008 from Berlin, Germany
Do you know the FLStudio Performance mode?Slarti wrote:I want to work with looped melodic sequences in various tracks of different lenghts that must be looped independently and triggered 'on the fly'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u7E-L0b_Ks