What is a groove?
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- KVRAF
- 2641 posts since 23 Jun, 2006 from Hungary
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- KVRist
- 142 posts since 17 Apr, 2013 from USA
Yeah, I'd have to agree with this. It's the way you play a piece of music rhythmically as compared to how it is read. A half note is still a half note of course, but not all half notes will leave the same space for other notes or hits.do_androids_dream wrote:It's the space you leave in between...
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- KVRist
- 164 posts since 4 Dec, 2006
To paraphrase the famous Supreme Court justice's quote about hardcore pornography and apply it to groove:
"I won't try to define it, but I know it when I hear it."
"I won't try to define it, but I know it when I hear it."
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- KVRAF
- 6804 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
I disagree. The space left in between is the pocket. One can have a groove which would be considered a hypnotic rhythmic phrasing without a pocket.do_androids_dream wrote:It's the space you leave in between...
I Feel Love has a groove but not a pocket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2q2bis6eLE
I'll take you there has a groove and a syncopated pocket.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=772YR4_rOBU
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- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
I don't see the groove as the space between the notes. Of course, you can define anything in terms of it's negative space, they're the same information, so on a purely abstract level, the groove can be the space between the "marks" of the notes, or vice-versa, but in real terms, I see the space between the notes as being filled by the timbre and performance of the notes as they ring out, the length of the notes, any silences and muting, etc.
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- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
I've never understood why anyone would wear big, dangly, floppy jewellery when they're doing very tight, jerky dancing. It looks really dumb with that shit just spazzing out, and I end up just watching it, wondering if it's going to bounce up and hit her in the face.
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- KVRAF
- 2134 posts since 11 Oct, 2007 from Almanya
A groove is an extended grove, it contains many trees, which would make it a forest.A.M. Gold wrote:What is a groove?
If it has a swing, though, it'll probably be a park.
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- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
You're just envious...Sendy wrote:I've never understood why anyone would wear big, dangly, floppy jewellery when they're doing very tight, jerky dancing. It looks really dumb with that shit just spazzing out, and I end up just watching it, wondering if it's going to bounce up and hit her in the face.
- KVRAF
- 4881 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
This is interesting: is "swing" really a cultivated, tame "groove"?chokehold wrote:A groove is an extended grove, it contains many trees, which would make it a forest.A.M. Gold wrote:What is a groove?
If it has a swing, though, it'll probably be a park.
Or is grandfathers groovy swing just sons cool groove, i.e. generation thing?
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
Does the word come from vinyl records? Probably from black music...
I think groove is the same as rhythm, basically. Maybe people started to use it instead of rhythm because rhythm can also be a neutral term for any rhythm, i. e. also for music that has a boring rhythm and no groove, whereas groove is only used in a positive way.
Ultimately, I guess rhythm/groove may go back to primitive human aspects, especially to the rhythm that resulted from walking upright, and to sexuality
I think groove is the same as rhythm, basically. Maybe people started to use it instead of rhythm because rhythm can also be a neutral term for any rhythm, i. e. also for music that has a boring rhythm and no groove, whereas groove is only used in a positive way.
Ultimately, I guess rhythm/groove may go back to primitive human aspects, especially to the rhythm that resulted from walking upright, and to sexuality
- KVRAF
- 4534 posts since 17 Jun, 2013 from very close to Paris, France
It seems that the right etymology is here:fluffy_little_something wrote:Does the word come from vinyl records? Probably from black music...
I think groove is the same as rhythm, basically. Maybe people started to use it instead of rhythm because rhythm can also be a neutral term for any rhythm, i. e. also for music that has a boring rhythm and no groove, whereas groove is only used in a positive way.
Ultimately, I guess rhythm/groove may go back to primitive human aspects, especially to the rhythm that resulted from walking upright, and to sexuality
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=groove
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- KVRAF
- 5546 posts since 13 Feb, 2006 from Wiesmoor, Germany
For me, the "groove" is the part of the rhythm that's felt rather than heard, if that makes any sense
A groovy track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpIgizeWReA
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A groovy track:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpIgizeWReA
Cheers
Dennis
- KVRAF
- 4130 posts since 11 Aug, 2006 from Texas
Groove to me is the human/organic element applied to structured repetition. We've all programming midi notes perfectly on the beat markers in our DAW only to discover how dull, robotic, and lifeless it sounds. Small variations in relaxing or anticipating the next note makes a dramatic difference to a musical passage. It's why we like things like quantizers and groove extractors in our tools, to get "that feeling" from a different musical passage.
Humans loathe perfect repetition. I tend to think this is because nothing alive repeats itself identically each iteration. Much like a semi-real plastic mask creeps us out our ears detect the how fake perfect repetition and spacing in sound really is.
I enjoyed these two articles studying music's effect on us:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/scien ... ted=1&_r=2&
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/04 ... -again-sam
Humans loathe perfect repetition. I tend to think this is because nothing alive repeats itself identically each iteration. Much like a semi-real plastic mask creeps us out our ears detect the how fake perfect repetition and spacing in sound really is.
I enjoyed these two articles studying music's effect on us:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/scien ... ted=1&_r=2&
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/04 ... -again-sam
- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
Those are called ghost notes, no?Bronto Scorpio wrote:For me, the "groove" is the part of the rhythm that's felt rather than heard, if that makes any sense
Pretty much all funk and breakbeat rhythms use them, and my experiences with them make me conclude that it's the little things, the barely audible, offbeat notes, that give a groove forward momentum, not the big things (i.e. the aim of most modern dance music such as dubstep, to have everything very loud and in your face).
Ghost notes combined with "the one" (having an accent on the first beat, as opposed to 2 and 4) are a very potent combination, ask James Brown
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