440 hz to 432 hz - sounding more natural?
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- KVRAF
- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
All of the reading you'll be able to find about this is pseudoscientific twaddle concerning energy frequencies and karma and healing and shite. 432 (as a number) has more factors than 440 - that's it: that's the argument for it. It'd be mental enough even if it didn't rely on the implications that:
A: The second is a 'divine' unit of duration, and that waves only have properties because their frequencies are measured as such.
B: Base 10 is a divine method of counting
C: Numbers are themselves divine (but only integers, not numbers with a fractional component)
D: All music is variations on sine waves playing an A. No other notes (or their harmonics) to think about
E: That A wasn't an arbitrary choice around which to tune-up in the first place
F: Something to do with crystals probably
G: Etc ad infinitum
Other than pissing those with perfect pitch off, I don't think you'll accomplish anything else. Music sounds 'richer' when it's slowed down and 'tighter' when it's sped up. Nothing unusual there. Tune a full semitone down and the music will sound even richer! Actually, I'm pretty sure most of the examples there ARE tuned down by something approaching that. No way is that less than a quarter tone's difference.
edit: I should say none of this is aimed at you personally for your initial interest. I'm just trying to say that this isn't something worth investigating as a musician. It's purely one for the New Age crew.
A: The second is a 'divine' unit of duration, and that waves only have properties because their frequencies are measured as such.
B: Base 10 is a divine method of counting
C: Numbers are themselves divine (but only integers, not numbers with a fractional component)
D: All music is variations on sine waves playing an A. No other notes (or their harmonics) to think about
E: That A wasn't an arbitrary choice around which to tune-up in the first place
F: Something to do with crystals probably
G: Etc ad infinitum
Other than pissing those with perfect pitch off, I don't think you'll accomplish anything else. Music sounds 'richer' when it's slowed down and 'tighter' when it's sped up. Nothing unusual there. Tune a full semitone down and the music will sound even richer! Actually, I'm pretty sure most of the examples there ARE tuned down by something approaching that. No way is that less than a quarter tone's difference.
edit: I should say none of this is aimed at you personally for your initial interest. I'm just trying to say that this isn't something worth investigating as a musician. It's purely one for the New Age crew.
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- KVRian
- 1000 posts since 1 Dec, 2004
Yeah. Considering that there's not that much difference when transposing a whole song from, say, F to E, it's not like transposing 32 cents down from A 440hz to A 432hz is going to change much, except making everybody have to retune millions of pianos, xylophones, synthesizers and so on (a huge waste of time).
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
432 per se as magical is pretty much just goofy. I tune below 440 for effect fairly often because I like it for some things. Nowadays 442 is more or less the standard for Euro orchs. So I'm not the only person that believes tuning means a difference in effect.
Yeah, I wonder why there isn't just the one key.
Everything tuned down ≠ a transposition, note well.
Considering that there's not that much difference when transposing a whole song from, say, F to E,
Yeah, I wonder why there isn't just the one key.
Everything tuned down ≠ a transposition, note well.
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- KVRian
- 1227 posts since 10 Oct, 2004
We had this discussion on here a while back. As I recall, it went on for several pages, got pretty heated and ended up being moved to the Hyde Park Corner ...
Fairly typical for a music theory topic I guess
Fairly typical for a music theory topic I guess
Unfamiliar words can be looked up in my Glossary of musical terms.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Meffy moved everything about 432hz to HPC, as, for Meffy it was a religious type of idea.
Did it even begin here?
I believe it did, I seem to remember pressing, does a MT controversy qualify for HPC now or is this the usual objection to it as a religious expression.
Did it even begin here?
I believe it did, I seem to remember pressing, does a MT controversy qualify for HPC now or is this the usual objection to it as a religious expression.
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- KVRist
- 142 posts since 17 Apr, 2013 from USA
Now, besides all the 'new-age hype' I think there is something to consider when dealing with frequencies. Yes, nothing about crystals, but it's more to do with the human body. Stay with me...
Maybe jancivil can do the math and extrapolation on this, but I certainly find different bass frequencies will resonate differently with the body. Everything has a resonating frequency, and while I'm not too involved to really measure it out, the body has resonant frequencies as well.
Most of the claims on this page: http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm I think are a little farfetched, but when you test some of the tones on your own system, you can find that at about 73~74Hz will resonate the genetalia, it lists.
So, the note D (regular 440 tuning though, but you can use a sine and any synth with a freq. knob) falls there. No joke, try your bass guitars.
I guess I can see where the idea might come about, but as far as I know, there's nothing special about 432.
Maybe jancivil can do the math and extrapolation on this, but I certainly find different bass frequencies will resonate differently with the body. Everything has a resonating frequency, and while I'm not too involved to really measure it out, the body has resonant frequencies as well.
Most of the claims on this page: http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm I think are a little farfetched, but when you test some of the tones on your own system, you can find that at about 73~74Hz will resonate the genetalia, it lists.
So, the note D (regular 440 tuning though, but you can use a sine and any synth with a freq. knob) falls there. No joke, try your bass guitars.
I guess I can see where the idea might come about, but as far as I know, there's nothing special about 432.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33178 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Well, the human body has multiple resonant frequencies. Its not as if its a uniform shape made from a single consistent material. And if that werent enough, the fact is that we all have different sizes and densities of bone, flesh, organs. Its not as if a skinny kid has the same resonant frequencies as a solidly muscled 6'2" athlete, or a 20 stone middle aged man.thomni wrote:Maybe jancivil can do the math and extrapolation on this, but I certainly find different bass frequencies will resonate differently with the body. Everything has a resonating frequency, and while I'm not too involved to really measure it out, the body has resonant frequencies as well.
Never yet seen one of the 432Hz proponents deal with the real anatomical variance of humans. And if they did, I kinda expect fudging of the 'well X is nearly a multiple of 432, so proof', when any other frequency is just as close.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRist
- 247 posts since 3 Apr, 2012
Nah, Goebbels.jancivil wrote:Did it even begin here?
http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... 432hz.html
- Beware the Quoth
- 33178 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
I thoroughly believe the source of that.c_bomb wrote:Nah, Goebbels.jancivil wrote:Did it even begin here?
http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... 432hz.html
http://www.skepdic.com/horowitz.html
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRist
- 247 posts since 3 Apr, 2012
My apologies for the lack of obvious sarcasm.whyterabbyt wrote:I thoroughly believe the source of that.c_bomb wrote:Nah, Goebbels.jancivil wrote:Did it even begin here?
http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... 432hz.html
http://www.skepdic.com/horowitz.html
- Beware the Quoth
- 33178 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
nah, i got it, i was just providing the link for completeness.c_bomb wrote:My apologies for the lack of obvious sarcasm.whyterabbyt wrote:I thoroughly believe the source of that.c_bomb wrote:Nah, Goebbels.jancivil wrote:Did it even begin here?
http://www.whydontyoutrythis.com/2013/0 ... 432hz.html
http://www.skepdic.com/horowitz.html
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
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- KVRist
- 353 posts since 22 Feb, 2004
They're both wrong. 420hz is optimal. YOLO!
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- KVRAF
- 5716 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
Lies. 444Hz is the one. Unless you're in China, in which case you need to be careful around mirrors and ladders while playing.GeckoYamori wrote:They're both wrong. 420hz is optimal. YOLO!