KVR Audio

fluffy_little_something · Mon May 04, 2015 10:49 am

K82 wrote:Charlatan was 8 voice polyphonic right? What does the unison and stereo width do to the voices? When using full usinison, can chords still be played for example?

I suppose it will have 56 voices max when using max unison...

fluffy_little_something · Mon May 04, 2015 10:51 am

phdsg vn chfhn wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote: ...
What does the new knob in the global section do? I don't hear a difference when I turn it
as the symbol indicates: stereo(-width), use 2+ voices

I thought so too, but somehow I did not get a stereo effect, but more of another detune effect...

Sound Author · Post by **Sound Author** » Mon May 04, 2015 2:55 pm

Passing Bye wrote:oooh man, first PG-8X, now this, wuuuuttttt

I know right!

VSTJuNkiE · Post by **VSTJuNkiE** » Mon May 04, 2015 5:23 pm

The new GUI doesn't show in FL Studio 12 when you load charlatan up. Works fine in FL 11 and Mini Host Modular Beta 3. Thanks.

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Mon May 04, 2015 6:05 pm

It loads fine here in FL Studio 12. Awesome little synth BTW!

VSTJuNkiE · Post by **VSTJuNkiE** » Mon May 04, 2015 7:11 pm

Yorrrrrr wrote:It loads fine here in FL Studio 12. Awesome little synth BTW!

Strange. Whenever I load it up here it shows up with the 1.4.1 GUI. Doesn't do that in FL 11 or Mini Host Modular.

fluffy_little_something · Mon May 04, 2015 7:14 pm

VSTJuNkiE wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:It loads fine here in FL Studio 12. Awesome little synth BTW!
Strange. Whenever I load it up here it shows up with the 1.4.1 GUI. Doesn't do that in FL 11 or Mini Host Modular.

I suppose what shows up with the old gui IS the old version. Do you have both in your folder?

VSTJuNkiE · Post by **VSTJuNkiE** » Mon May 04, 2015 9:58 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:
VSTJuNkiE wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:It loads fine here in FL Studio 12. Awesome little synth BTW!
Strange. Whenever I load it up here it shows up with the 1.4.1 GUI. Doesn't do that in FL 11 or Mini Host Modular.
I suppose what shows up with the old gui IS the old version. Do you have both in your folder?

I have the old one and the new one in the same folder. Doesn't matter whether I load up the old or new or even the x64 version. Same thing "old gui"....

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Mon May 04, 2015 10:27 pm

VSTJuNkiE wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:
VSTJuNkiE wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:It loads fine here in FL Studio 12. Awesome little synth BTW!
Strange. Whenever I load it up here it shows up with the 1.4.1 GUI. Doesn't do that in FL 11 or Mini Host Modular.
I suppose what shows up with the old gui IS the old version. Do you have both in your folder?

I have the old one and the new one in the same folder. Doesn't matter whether I load up the old or new or even the x64 version. Same thing "old gui"....

try renaming the old version to charlatan14.dll

VSTJuNkiE · Post by **VSTJuNkiE** » Tue May 05, 2015 12:31 am

layzer wrote:
VSTJuNkiE wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:
VSTJuNkiE wrote:
Yorrrrrr wrote:It loads fine here in FL Studio 12. Awesome little synth BTW!
Strange. Whenever I load it up here it shows up with the 1.4.1 GUI. Doesn't do that in FL 11 or Mini Host Modular.
I suppose what shows up with the old gui IS the old version. Do you have both in your folder?

I have the old one and the new one in the same folder. Doesn't matter whether I load up the old or new or even the x64 version. Same thing "old gui"....
try renaming the old version to charlatan14.dll

Thank ya! Weird that "that" worked...

yiNXs · Post by **yiNXs** » Tue May 05, 2015 3:26 am

One of my favorites just became even better! Thanks so much for the update!

I've been testing it for a while and it works perfect and stable her (Win8 x64, Core2quad, Renoise). There's only one possible bug I've encountered. The new version has an unstable frequency compared to 1.4.1 here. It fluctuates about 8% up and down and is very noticeable while playing long notes. It doesn't matter whether I turn DCO on or off, it always does this. The old version had a very stable frequency compared, even with DCO turned off (I actually never noticed a difference with DCO on or off, in both versions). Is this working as intended?

karrikuh · Post by **karrikuh** » Tue May 05, 2015 4:12 am

yiNXs wrote:One of my favorites just became even better! Thanks so much for the update!

I've been testing it for a while and it works perfect and stable her (Win8 x64, Core2quad, Renoise). There's only one possible bug I've encountered. The new version has an unstable frequency compared to 1.4.1 here. It fluctuates about 8% up and down and is very noticeable while playing long notes. It doesn't matter whether I turn DCO on or off, it always does this. The old version had a very stable frequency compared, even with DCO turned off (I actually never noticed a difference with DCO on or off, in both versions). Is this working as intended?

Pitch drift was always present as a feature. I admit that in 2.0, it's a bit over the top. It will be reduced for 2.0 final. BTW, DCO only causes oscillator phases to reset at the beginning of a note but doesn't affect pitch stability. I know it's kind of a misnomer.

yiNXs · Post by **yiNXs** » Tue May 05, 2015 5:17 am

karrikuh wrote:Pitch drift was always present as a feature. I admit that in 2.0, it's a bit over the top. It will be reduced for 2.0 final. BTW, DCO only causes oscillator phases to reset at the beginning of a note but doesn't affect pitch stability. I know it's kind of a misnomer.

Mystery solved! Thanks for the quick answer. Looking forward to the final version.

Although I may actually start liking the over the top drift

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Tue May 05, 2015 1:35 pm

karrikuh wrote:Pitch drift was always present as a feature. I admit that in 2.0, it's a bit over the top. It will be reduced for 2.0 final. BTW, DCO only causes oscillator phases to reset at the beginning of a note but doesn't affect pitch stability. I know it's kind of a misnomer.

Maybe make a knob that controls the amount of drift ?
Like on hardware Prophet 08, the "Slop" knob.

Perhaps surprisingly, the pitches of the 08's oscillators are digitally controlled rather than voltage controlled. I asked Smith whether he felt that he was taking a risk implementing DCOs rather than VCOs. "DCOs picked up a bad reputation long ago because they were sorely lacking in resolution, and they sounded too stiff," he explained. "Now, with very high-speed frequency control, the oscillators in the Prophet 08 can be exact and lock up (which can be useful sometimes), or they can be precisely detuned, or you can add what we've called oscillator 'slop', which is a slowly varying random frequency change, independent on every oscillator. This is a subtle effect, but it does a great job of mimicking VCOs when you want that characteristic VCO sound."

https://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb08/ ... 08.htm#Top

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Wed May 06, 2015 2:39 am

i was kinda hoping for a sine osc shape in 2.0

Charlatan 2.0 Final Free VA synth released (Windows)