VST - Dealing MIDI inside Ableton Live
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 878 posts since 2 Oct, 2013
I've made a VST with Flowstone that take audio as input and output the same audio plus some MIDI messages.
I loaded it inside FL Studio Patcher FX, linking audio to output and MIDI to a midiMonitor: it works well. It take audio, pass to output and output MIDI correctly.
Now, I try to do the same with Ableton, putting it before an Audio Effect (it's called PCSwitcher, and its before Guitar Rig 5):
but Giutar Rig it is not able to catch MIDI messages from my VST.
Where am I wrong?
p.s. in Bitwig, which is pretty the same, it also works without any problems.
I loaded it inside FL Studio Patcher FX, linking audio to output and MIDI to a midiMonitor: it works well. It take audio, pass to output and output MIDI correctly.
Now, I try to do the same with Ableton, putting it before an Audio Effect (it's called PCSwitcher, and its before Guitar Rig 5):
but Giutar Rig it is not able to catch MIDI messages from my VST.
Where am I wrong?
p.s. in Bitwig, which is pretty the same, it also works without any problems.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33177 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Your MIDI plugin probably needs to go on a track of its own:
http://hgsounds.com/news/vst-plugins/ar ... eton-live/
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/s ... eton-live/
http://hgsounds.com/news/vst-plugins/ar ... eton-live/
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/s ... eton-live/
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 878 posts since 2 Oct, 2013
But this could works on Instruments; Effects still don't get those MIDI messages, and I'd like to have the chain on the same Track (so I can drag/duplicate quickly).
On Bitwig this chain works without any problem, maybe an additional settings in Live?
On Bitwig this chain works without any problem, maybe an additional settings in Live?
- KVRAF
- 2121 posts since 10 Apr, 2002 from Saint Germain en Laye, France
- Banned
- 280 posts since 10 Jan, 2014
Yup same as Cubase, you have to use two tracks. It sucks I know, Bitwig is a great example of how easy it should be to drop in VST's in any order with the signals flowing through them.
I'm surprised that Studio One with their multi-instrument thing didn't allow you to use Midi generating Vst's as note FX, a big oversight...
I'm surprised that Studio One with their multi-instrument thing didn't allow you to use Midi generating Vst's as note FX, a big oversight...
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- KVRAF
- 1594 posts since 16 Jan, 2010 from Denver
your going to have to have a second one to catch the midi and throw it back to GR.
e.g.:
The first track contains a serum, and lfotool( which for this represents your plugin since its an audio effect that outputs midi), and GR.
The second track is a completely empty midi track. On that you take the midi from the first track, vst effect, output it to first track, guitar rig, and turn monitoring on.
You cant really tell from the screenshot but I midi learned the cc that lfotool is outputting to the dry/wet knob in gr. If you want to make it cleaner you could always group the 2 together
e.g.:
The first track contains a serum, and lfotool( which for this represents your plugin since its an audio effect that outputs midi), and GR.
The second track is a completely empty midi track. On that you take the midi from the first track, vst effect, output it to first track, guitar rig, and turn monitoring on.
You cant really tell from the screenshot but I midi learned the cc that lfotool is outputting to the dry/wet knob in gr. If you want to make it cleaner you could always group the 2 together
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 878 posts since 2 Oct, 2013
Thanks for the reply! I tried, but once I select the "serum" MIDI track on the MIDI TO dropdown, Live crash!
I thought it was my plugin, but also with LFOTool it crash. What's up?
I thought it was my plugin, but also with LFOTool it crash. What's up?
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- KVRAF
- 1594 posts since 16 Jan, 2010 from Denver
usually thats some sort of midi feedback loop that makes live unhappy if you get a crash like that. Try leaving the monitor set to 'auto' or 'off' until you have the routing completely setup. I actually had all the routing setup first, then had to turn on monitoring to get it to pass the signal through afterwards
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 878 posts since 2 Oct, 2013
Even if I set all Off/Auto (on both MIDI tracks) Live crash. With every plugins I've tried. Uhm, should I open a ticket?ezelkow1 wrote:usually thats some sort of midi feedback loop that makes live unhappy if you get a crash like that. Try leaving the monitor set to 'auto' or 'off' until you have the routing completely setup. I actually had all the routing setup first, then had to turn on monitoring to get it to pass the signal through afterwards
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- KVRAF
- 1594 posts since 16 Jan, 2010 from Denver
You could try, I dont know how responsive they are. You could also try the ableton forums(https://forum.ableton.com/ since they removed any links to it from their website). The only other thing I could think of is maybe some midi device you have plugged in is unhappy with the routing, could try disabling all those in the midi prefs for a quick check. Beyond that Im not sure