Carpenters Vs. Zappa
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- addled muppet weed
- 105875 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 3626 posts since 25 Mar, 2006 from The city by the bay
But that's what's so great about good music, no? If for whatever reasons someone wants to denigrate or diminish some artist or work by picking at the weak elements (not necessarily referring to anyone in this thread, of course), that generally doesn't seem to fare too well in keeping others from finding the jewels.Harry_HH wrote: The video example of the Zappa is not the most representative to demonstrate his multi-skills.
In the end we all have our preferences but especially for those who make music the question of liking something is never as important IMHO as that of trying to seek out the wonderful stuff that's in there. And if some great composer for whatever reasons just never quite appeals to us that doesn't mean we won't receive their greatness via the works of others who somehow got it and ran with it.
- KVRAF
- 4881 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
You have obviously talent to write even a Ph.D dissertation - this was so complicated, I think not even the author knows what its supposed to mean. (Or maybe this was the whole idea).rp314 wrote:But that's what's so great about good music, no? If for whatever reasons someone wants to denigrate or diminish some artist or work by picking at the weak elements (not necessarily referring to anyone in this thread, of course), that generally doesn't seem to fare too well in keeping others from finding the jewels.Harry_HH wrote: The video example of the Zappa is not the most representative to demonstrate his multi-skills.
In the end we all have our preferences but especially for those who make music the question of liking something is never as important IMHO as that of trying to seek out the wonderful stuff that's in there. And if some great composer for whatever reasons just never quite appeals to us that doesn't mean we won't receive their greatness via the works of others who somehow got it and ran with it.
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
It's the return of the son.experimental.crow wrote: shut up ...
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Well, that can't be Frank Zappa, as he always gets good pressrp314 wrote:But that's what's so great about good music, no? If for whatever reasons someone wants to denigrate or diminish some artist or work by picking at the weak elements
The reason why I started this thread was more to put Carpenters in the picture, as they are mostly seen as a throwaway bubble gum (country) band, but it aint necessarily so....
- KVRAF
- 4881 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
I don't think anyone who has broader view to music think in this way. How could music, which has so much listeners or e.g.radio play after 40 years of the band split off be called "a throwaway"?Numanoid wrote:The reason why I started this thread was more to put Carpenters in the picture, as they are mostly seen as a throwaway bubble gum (country) band, but it aint necessarily so....
(An other story off course is if you happen to like the genre or not).
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Most people travel the narrow way don't theyHarry_HH wrote:I don't think anyone who has broader view to music think in this way
Example: Soft Cell is often seen as a one hit wonder band because of Tainted Love
- KVRAF
- 6160 posts since 29 Mar, 2003 from Location: Location
Both of them , at the end, couldn`t keep their food down.
One death was self en-flicked...the other indirectly en-flicked by sheer buffoonery.
They're both dead.
One death was self en-flicked...the other indirectly en-flicked by sheer buffoonery.
They're both dead.
....................Don`t blame me for 'The Roots', I just live here.
- KVRAF
- 5678 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
what?
Zappa died of prostate cancer yeah?
self-enflicted as in he drank a lot of coffee?
Zappa died of prostate cancer yeah?
self-enflicted as in he drank a lot of coffee?
sketches... http://soundcloud.com/onesnzeros
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
- KVRAF
- 6160 posts since 29 Mar, 2003 from Location: Location
You've gotten it reversed. Carpenter was self en flicked...Frank had a buffoon for a urologist. The doctor inadvertently en-flicked death onto Frank.sqigls wrote:what?
Zappa died of prostate cancer yeah?
self-enflicted as in he drank a lot of coffee?
EDIT - to be fair, I don`t believe they were watching PSA levels at that time.
It`s easy to miss prostate cancer...on the other hand, Frank WAS complaining of urinary problems!
....................Don`t blame me for 'The Roots', I just live here.
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
The cigarettes probably played a bigger part than the coffee.sqigls wrote:what?
Zappa died of prostate cancer yeah?
self-enflicted as in he drank a lot of coffee?
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
What a bunch of pussies!!!vurt wrote:none of the cats round here can play guitar, too busy killing mice to learn!
- KVRAF
- 35297 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
I hate his arrangements, a great example of just piling on more and more (a common problem at the time), I think the Carpenters would have sounded much better with more subtle arrangements highlighting Karen's voice and much less overproduction. Without all that I think they would sound much less cheesy too.Numanoid wrote:Karen Carpenter was a pro musician, but there were more than one Carpenter.Gonga wrote:Zappa is easily one of the most accomplished, and influential, musicians of the century. I respected Karen Carpenter and would compare her to a different pop performer. Zappa deserves comparison to classical composers, guitarists, band leaders (Miles Davis for example), who cycled through musicians and began many a storied music career, etc. He is the single greatest musician of my generation (baby boomers) imo.
Richard Carpenter I would call a genius arranger, and in addition somebody who excelled at the piano.
- KVRAF
- 7748 posts since 13 Jan, 2003 from Darkest Kent, UK
Out of the *thousands* of records i must have bought over the years, the only one I can think of that I actively hated (as opposed to just being indifferent too) was his 'Guitar' album. I had a couple of his 80s ones (Ship Arriving..., Man From Utopia etc) and thought they were fine so thought I'd dig deeper... Hated it as I said, endless noodling that just went nowhere for me. Others will disagree I'm sureNumanoid wrote:Zappa excelled in many areas, but I wish he wouldn't play guitar, I just can't stand his soloing.
I would recommend his book though (The Frank Zappa Book?), top dude whatever.
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- KVRian
- 819 posts since 8 Nov, 2009
This must be sarcasm.aMUSEd wrote:I hate his arrangements, a great example of just piling on more and more (a common problem at the time), I think the Carpenters would have sounded much better with more subtle arrangements highlighting Karen's voice and much less overproduction. Without all that I think they would sound much less cheesy too.
The Carpenters ( and especially thanks to Richard) were the epitome of tight, clean arrangements with Karen's voice in the spotlight.