Arturias thinking?

[DrGonzo]

if I remember rightly he was running the sockpuppet account here that kept doing negative comments and reviews of Minimonsta.

Seriously? How did that come to light?

/C

He got caught.

Then my respect for him as a person and developer is down the drain.

Sometimes I truly hate this time we're living in. Anyone with a business interest can pretend to be "a disappointed user" and spread rubbish about the competition. Nothing new of course, but with the anonymity of the internet it's easier than ever. How utterly sad.

OT. Srry.

/C

[Lotuzia]

He did that as an employee though, not on his own. Sometimes you dont act like you want when you're an employee

[Lotuzia]

Add to that that his boss at the time apologizes for that iirc.

[Harry_HH]

Maybe they had some internal problems to finish products after Xavier Oudin left Arturia? He was with my knowledge the main developer for most of the older emulations and left Arturia 2005 to co-found Eiosis (together with Fabrice Gabriel) and later started with Xils (2008). It would not surprise me if Arturia hired him again to finish some products.

Thank for the info, I didn't know that, it seems like an explanation of it yes.

Interesting, I didn't know Xavier was with Arturia. I wonder which synths he had worked on with them back then?

CS-80 is certainly one where Xavier Oudin had his hands on, but he wasn't the lead devoper of the programming team. If you are interested knowing who all in the coding/sound design, check the intros of the product manuals.

[DrGonzo]

He did that as an employee though, not on his own. Sometimes you dont act like you want when you're an employee

I understand what you are saying, but you are always personally responsible for the actions you take. At least morally. If I am working at a place and they deliberately are fooling and misleading people, I would leave. But that's me.

/C

[Numanoid]

This have had to be in the early days of the KVR forum, around 2005-06.

Maybe playing the sock puppet game was seen as more humours then ("can you figure out who I am yet"), rather than pure trolling?

[whyterabbyt]

He did that as an employee though, not on his own.

Arturia say the exact opposite; I already provided that link.

Sometimes you dont act like you want when you're an employee

Yes its always someone else's fault. Because noone would ever happily pretend that they're not actually involved with a company whose products they are actively promoting.

[whyterabbyt]

Maybe playing the sock puppet game was seen as more humours then ("can you figure out who I am yet"), rather than pure trolling?

Only when it was actually humorous. Deliberately badly reviewing a competitor's product under a sockpuppet account did not fall under anyone's definition of 'humorous'.

[Lotuzia]

He did that as an employee though, not on his own. Sometimes you dont act like you want when you're an employee

I understand what you are saying, but you are always personally responsible for the actions you take. At least morally. If I am working at a place and they deliberately are fooling and misleading people, I would leave. But that's me.

/C

Yes. Probably depends on the number of kids and loans for the house you have at that moment. Also depends on how you appreciate the impact of such an action on an *internet forum*, especially more than 10 years ago, VS *everything else in a work*. But tbh I just dont know what I would have done in this situation, so I wish I could say like you 'I would leave', but I'm not sure. Well, to each his own.

[Numanoid]

He did that as an employee though, not on his own. Sometimes you dont act like you want when you're an employee

I don't know what he or Arturia could think at the time.

Deliberatly hitting a competitor with bad reviews, under false personas

Makes me think they didn't believe in their own product, Mini V

If you believe in your own product, you know that:

You don't fight darkness with light, you make the light shine brigther

[Lotuzia]

He did that as an employee though, not on his own. Sometimes you dont act like you want when you're an employee

I don't know what he or Arturia could think at the time.

Deliberatly hitting a competitor with bad reviews, under false personas

Makes me think they didn't believe in their own product, Mini V

If you believe in your own product, you know that:

You don't fight darkness with light, you make the light shine brigther

Dont know either but it was certainly a bad idea. Anyway, they learned their lesson and it was in an age where internet forums were not taken so seriously. He's a nice guy, and a genius coder. And more than this, he's passionate about his work. All that matters to me nowadays. Sorry for the rancid haters who think a man can't change and learn from errors.

[whyterabbyt]

He did that as an employee though, not on his own. Sometimes you dont act like you want when you're an employee

I don't know what he or Arturia could think at the time.

Deliberatly hitting a competitor with bad reviews, under false personas

Makes me think they didn't believe in their own product, Mini V

If you believe in your own product, you know that:

You don't fight darkness with light, you make the light shine brigther

TBH, the whole thing with the Minimoog was bad faith anyway. When GForce started working on MiniMonsta, they actively checked with their 'competition' that noone was producing a directly competing product. Basically, being gentlemen about it to avoid stepping on toes, I believe.
Arturia specifically denied working on any such thing, then brought theirs to market first. That made the sockpuppetry that followed when GeForce's product was released slightly more poignant, for all the wrong reasons.
Anyway, its unlikely Xavier still does that sort of thing. Anyone want to and vaguely sensible would have hired someone else do their shilling and astroturfing.

[DrGonzo]

Yes. Probably depends on the number of kids and loans for the house you have at that moment. Also depends on how you appreciate the impact of such an action on an *internet forum*, especially more than 10 years ago, VS *everything else in a work*. But tbh I just dont know what I would have done in this situation, so I wish I could say like you 'I would leave', but I'm not sure. Well, to each his own.

Why would spreading lies be less bad because you do it on an *internet forum*?
No, I really don't understand the logic here. The developers behind the competing product probably have loans, kids, wifes, cars and dogs to feed, no? Why wouldn't they count?

You compete with your products by making them awesome or selling them extremely cheap. Not by spreading lies about the competition. And as for this being something that happened more than ten years ago, I just heard about it.

Let me ask you this, between us being two sound designers who probably have worked on the same projects. Are you using a fake account to sabotage the reputation of other sound designers? And if not, why not?

/C

[Gamma-UT]

Dont know either but it was certainly a bad idea. Anyway, they learned their lesson and it was in an age where internet forums were not taken so seriously. He's a nice guy, and a genius coder. And more than this, he's passionate about his work. All that matters to me nowadays. Sorry for the rancid haters who think a man can't change and learn from errors.

Remember kids: sockpuppeting is just harmless fun and games. Putting a little bit of triangle wave into a patch to emulate a different synth? Now that's serious business. Serious. Business.

[Gamma-UT]

Anyway, its unlikely Xavier still does that sort of thing. Anyone want to and vaguely sensible would have hired someone else do their shilling and astroturfing.