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Daags · Post by **Daags** » Tue May 31, 2016 7:53 pm

Great news for German hip-hop producers.

Oh wait...German hip-hop is shit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36415880

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:25 am

This court is a bunch of idiots

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:21 am

What a terrible ruling!

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:29 am

Original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b5XHOuxk2U

Sampled:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnJ476DmFFA

I wonder how they ever found out it was sampled, just some generic beatbox sounds

The top court believes that blocking Pelham's sample would "practically exclude the creation of pieces of music in a particular style".

+1.

skipscada · Post by **skipscada** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:38 am

BertKoor wrote:
The top court believes that blocking Pelham's sample would "practically exclude the creation of pieces of music in a particular style".
+1.

No it wouldn't. Anyone is free to play/program the rhythm themselves. If sampling without consent/compensation is allowed, where do you draw the line?

kelvyn · Post by **kelvyn** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:59 am

Daags wrote:Great news for German hip-hop producers.

Oh wait...German hip-hop is shit

<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36415880</span>

Fuuuunnnnyyyy!

I hate to agree but German hip hop lost its way a while ago. Although there are some great lyrics the rythmes and the flow all sound the same there's an almost generic approach to rapping in German hip hip that hasn't developed much especially when compared to the complexity and innovation of American or British rappers - Sampha/George the poet/Dizzy/Craig David/Kendrick Lamar/Kanye etc.

The ruling sucks though...

Chris-S · Post by **Chris-S** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:05 am

@BertKoor
That's not the setlur song with the sample.

But nice video anyway (when you turn off the sound).

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:18 am

Chris-S wrote:That's not the setlur song with the sample.

Ah you're right

This was the second in a playlist with the title "Nur Mir" (first track in the list is retracted.) Seems like we're not allowed to have a listen anymore to the sample and judge for ourselves.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:18 am

My German is not too good but they seem to be saying something about kunts. Those kunts did this and that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAzcl7QpzHE

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:18 am

I'm for sampling in general, but in this particular case hip-hop producer could use virtually any other sample(s) in existence with same success.
On the other hand I see no reason to ban people from using generic samples which carry no artistic value whatsover. Things woudl look diferent it is was a catchy motiff, hook or melody that brought success to original artist.

skipscada · Post by **skipscada** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:23 am

DJ Warmonger wrote: On the other hand I see no reason to ban people from using generic samples which carry no artistic value whatsover. Things woudl look diferent it is was a catchy motiff, hook or melody that brought success to original artist.

Sounds sensible, but then you have the problem of defining generic vs. original. Not something I'd trust judges to decide. Of course, that's already an aspect of copyright issues, which is a different question.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:27 am

Bucking the trend here. I support the ruling and I'm surprised at Kraftwerk going after it to be honest. What if you get hold of the same drum machine and recreate the exact same pattern - philosophically speaking?

Sim.Sky · Post by **Sim.Sky** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:32 am

Aloysius wrote:My German is not too good but they seem to be saying something about kunts. Those kunts did this and that.

Funny misunderstanding here

They're talking about "Kunst" and the "Kunstfreiheit" which means "art" and "freedom of the arts" in German

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:38 am

do_androids_dream wrote:Bucking the trend here. I support the ruling and I'm surprised at Kraftwerk going after it to be honest. What if you get hold of the same drum machine and recreate the exact same pattern - philosophically speaking?

then it'd be a completely different situation; within the strictures of copyright law, it'd be covered by the sections pertaining to cover versions of a song, not those pertaining to unauthorised redistribution of a recording.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:50 am

murnau wrote:This court is a bunch of idiots

Yes. I'm not too surprised though, that only confirms my thoughts about the judicial situation which is more and more common in germany. "Legal illegal scheissegal", and even courts confirm that now. Reminds me of the bullshit rulings in the EU courts too.

Kraftwerk lose sampling copyright case.