Arturia MATRIXBRUTE

[VariKusBrainZ]

^ Boy oh boy that guy sucks at demo'ing an analog synth!

I totally disagree, he also does really good in depth vids on individual eurorack modules.

If you were expecting him to recreate blah blah EDM and Dubstep patches then yes, it wasn't very good

[Numanoid]

Whatever happened to Origin ?

[Shabdahbriah]

Whatever happened to Origin ?

They couldn't get through the 'Star-Gate', IIRC.

[NEOREV]

Matrixbrute comes in @6:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru2quYHKXp4

^ Boy oh boy that guy sucks at demo'ing an analog synth!

Honestly, this was the only video of the Matrixbrute that made me want one. This dude goes pretty in depth about editability and on how nuts you can push this thing. Then he brought it back and showed a simpler, nicer sound. But the rest of the promo vids from Arturia and at events have been horrible. Their latest video about the oscillators was horrid. The sounds they made in it were just terrible and annoying. This video though showed me how much further this synth could go. I wish we had more. I wanna see this synth pushed to the edge. You'll be able to make big basses, nice smooth leads, and whacked out glitch effects. This video showed its versatility.

[lfm]

Doing some window shopping I stumbled on this beast.

You cannot avoid being caught by all the love creators of this express.

If it was at least 4 voices it would be must have at now about €2000.
But Wendy Carlos managed to build entire orchestral pieces with mono synths like for Clockwork Orange film.

I was babysitting one EMS Synthi in the 70's with matrix style modular
http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/synthi.php

I was playing some with KarmaFX for a while but computers are not that fun to work on - hardware very much inspire creativity.
https://karmafx.net/

Bumped it to see what possible owners have to say about Matrix Brute now.
Any competition out there with this flexibility?

You can play poly stuff and split to tracks and render one voice at a time, I guess.

Does this unit actually have anything analog circuitry in there - or is it like Arturia started with digital emulations?

Thank you.

[whyterabbyt]

Does this unit actually have anything analog circuitry in there emulations?

seriously?

[lfm]

Does this unit actually have anything analog circuitry in there emulations?

seriously?

Just sceptical - since Arturia really started out emulating everything as plugins like more than 10 years ago - really expensive ones as well as released.

So knowhow would be entirely about emulation in the company, kind of?

Had Analog Lab for a while as well.

Always had the feeling they just put a computer inside a box in their hardware units?

So you mean there is truth to real analog signal path - not emulated one?

I listened to the tutorial on filters - and it sounded really digital to me. Edgy harsch kind of mids+highs.

Thanks either way.

[whyterabbyt]

Does this unit actually have anything analog circuitry in there emulations?

seriously?

Just sceptical - since Arturia really started out emulating everything as plugins like more than 10 years ago - really expensive ones as well as released.

So knowhow would be entirely about emulation in the company, kind of?

Had Analog Lab for a while as well.

Always had the feeling they just put a computer inside a box in their hardware units?

So you mean there is truth to real analog signal path - not emulated one?

I listened to the tutorial on filters - and it sounded really digital to me. Edgy harsch kind of mids+highs.

Thanks either way.

You dont think someone would have noticed by now if this wasnt properly analog? You know, by opening the thing?

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... hotos.html

[himalaya]

(EDIT: Whyterabbyt posted the same message)

That's a strange line of thought, lfm. Arturia states on their website that the signal path is analog, but you are sceptical. Don't you think that if Arturia had lied to us by providing a false description, it would be discovered by now? The consequences of that would be rather negative, don't you think?

Here's one conversation which focussed on the inside of the Matrixbrute, with photos:

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... hotos.html

[himalaya]

Any competition out there with this flexibility?

From the top of my head, MFB's Dominion 1 has a similar amount of sonic power, albeit presented in a different configuration, and with simpler modulation capabilities.

http://mfberlin.de/en/device/mfb-dominion1_en/

[AnX]

if it was digital, it would be polyphonic

[whyterabbyt]

Since you dont seem to have even superficially looked at the history of Arturia's analog synth range, please be aware that the MatrixBrute was not their first analog synth, and that they specifically hired an expert to help them design them.
That's what companies do when they move into new areas where they might have a knowledge shortfall; they hire people with relevant expertise.

https://www.arturia.com/company/news/ar ... -yvesusson

[lfm]

Thanks guys.

True, that I did not look into Arturia hardware in detail - assumed too much being computer in a box, I guess.
So they rerouted from software emulations to true analog hardware - nice.

I have an All Tube guitar amp - that when looking in circuit diagram has a solid state chip for reverb - in signal path. Preamp and power amp was tubes - and most important of course - but still.

Some years ago "analog synths" were DCO's still - but analog signal path after that etc.

Not like you can trust sales pitches - you have to read between the lines a bit - what are they not telling you. As consumer we have to do that.

[whyterabbyt]

Some years ago "analog synths" were DCO's still - but analog signal path after that etc.

Not like you can trust sales pitches - you have to read between the lines a bit - what are they not telling you. As consumer we have to do that.

Given that the 'DC' in DCO stands for 'digitally controlled', there's nothing that prevents one from being an analog oscillator.

Digital control of analog components is the (only sane) way to provide controllable tuning stability, MIDI, patch memories, voice handling for polyphony etc. It doesnt make a device non-analog, though.

[lfm]

Some years ago "analog synths" were DCO's still - but analog signal path after that etc.

Not like you can trust sales pitches - you have to read between the lines a bit - what are they not telling you. As consumer we have to do that.

Given that the 'DC' in DCO stands for 'digitally controlled', there's nothing that prevents one from being an analog oscillator.

Digital control of analog components is the (only sane) way to provide controllable tuning stability, MIDI, patch memories, voice handling for polyphony etc. It doesnt make a device non-analog, though.

Thanks - yes there is more to this "analog" than what is obvious.

That control knobs and sliders can be controlled by a DA converter from digital patch memory - that I got a hunch of. so modern analog synths can have patch memories and such. But each unit not sounding exactly like the other for the same patch.

Mission accomplished for me though, Matrix Brute is more true analog than I suspected.

Aiblity to maybe run one filter envelope on each oscillator and such are a bit intriguing, I think. And many more routings.

A KingKorg have two parts A and B - so you can do similar things with each though. Have to look deeper into Matrix Brute and see what it offers.