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harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:49 am

Aarrghh. I tried looking for more "through and through" atonal music just a minute or so ago. It's too hard to find atonal music in pop and rock music. It's an oxymoron. It's a moronic thread. I shouldn't create threads half-asleep. But then again maybe tomorrow, when I am not so dizzy I will find a few more.

I should have just named this thread Examples Of Atonal Music. But at first I thought there should be contrast or juxtaposition.

AsPeeXXXVIII · Post by **AsPeeXXXVIII** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:44 am

I like to think of dark ambient as a prime example of atonal music - or better yet, noise. But then, that might be stretching the definition a tiny bit.

skipscada · Post by **skipscada** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:38 am

If it's atonal through and through, it's not going to be perceived as pop or rock anymore. But check out the magazine Wire: https://www.thewire.co.uk/

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:39 am

skipscada wrote:If it's atonal through and through, it's not going to be perceived as pop or rock anymore.

+1

woggle · Post by **woggle** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:56 am

skipscada wrote:If it's atonal through and through, it's not going to be perceived as pop or rock anymore. But check out the magazine Wire: https://www.thewire.co.uk/

you might get away with atonality if you have a really strong groove going - but nothing that does that springs to mind. I bet there is something out there though

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:27 pm

Well, I heard the late, great Allan Zavod in an interview call this 'atonal' (he was saying 'why would you call it this, this beautiful, modern atonal piece of music'). There's a section, around half a minute that may qualify. And some of if has a normal backbeat.

1st couple sections are more like 'jazz'. Although the melody keeps reiterating 'A', it def. ain't tonal.
After the guitar solo @ around 2:34 is the section, tho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zINXtLHHKE8

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:52 pm

I think Pink Floyd and David Bowie were once considered avant garde and so I tried looking there. Seemingly nada. So now I'm thinking that maybe it's superhard to create atonal music that works because doesn't Pink Floyd have the skills to do it? And Brian Eno and prgressive rock bands like King Crimson, Rush, Yes, and maybe even Led Zeppelin. And yeah, what about Frank Zappa? Seems he would have the skill and desire to tackle atonal music. But I read that EDM does it all the time and someone mentioned metal music but I couldn't find one atonal Metallica song via Google. And they don't mention which EDM songs/tunes are atonal.

And I found an article where it was saying that Bob Dylan's voice is atonal. And Mark E.'s of The Fall. Maybe even Mick Jagger. But I guess that's not on purpose. And one of my favourite bands, Pavement, was said to have dabbled in atonal music. But my ears aren't good enough to tell if a song is atonal through and through. And there were articles about metal music having atonal guitar solos but the songs itself where the guitar solos reside were tonal.

And I found this video that seem to be making a point about something else but to me it might have created a juxtaposition of tonal and atonal music (is it really atonal?) without knowing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo718IPjNNc

And here's a pavement song that I really like but thought "hey this might be atonal music" but then rethought "nah it has tension and release everywhere" and "it can't be atonal because I like it":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwjkC3wnxAQ

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:56 pm

OH WAIT
pop music?

the beginning of this, hey
this is that whole dodecaphonic atonality thing which was so popular in the day

but it's the chestnut 'Everything Happens to Me' sung by June Christy
ca 1951

check out the lick following 'I've mortgaged all my castles in the air'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2v-Y7Ggb-g

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:03 pm

When Zappa was in high school, or maybe community college for that one semester or whatever, he found out about serial atonality and wrote some. He didn't hear it until he did and he thought it was really ugly so he went back to writing melodically. "and then people told me my melodies were ugly"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXEuAOUPJHg

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:12 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm5budms4jU

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:17 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haZ4xRwkRVQ

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:17 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98zBYz2Oa94

harryupbabble · Post by **harryupbabble** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:59 pm

That Alien Orifice one declares "This video is not available". Must be a US only thing.

Aarrghh, hahaha I can't tell the difference between atonal jazz and normal jazz. But then I need guitar tuner software to tune my guitar.

Thanks for the examples Jan.

What about this one? Is this atonal music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQxI0G6mKk

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:11 pm

not so much

the first track here mostly is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TcfL84Kgqc&t=141s

check out the title track, there's a link to it "41:01"

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:14 pm

maybe not blocked for whatever unfortunate country you're in
people should hear this

better take anyway - LIVE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58-6X7PsYWs

2:31

Examples Of Tonal And Atonal Music