State of the art de-essing in 2017?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 41 posts since 5 Nov, 2005
I'm getting more and more very sibilant vocal tracks to mix lately, due to rampant chinese condensers and overcompression inflation. I'm still on the Waves Rennaissance Deesser, but sometimes it doesn't quite cut it.
What's the current state of the art plugins/workflow? Any tips for tracking as well?
What's the current state of the art plugins/workflow? Any tips for tracking as well?
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- KVRian
- 1256 posts since 15 Mar, 2007 from Yorkshire, England
pro-DS is very good but I must admit I still tend to do a lot of manual automation
- Boss Lovin' DR
- 12623 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Always depends on in which shite position I've managed to put the mic in this time, but I do like the TB one in the plug-in pack - Sibilance.
Also like TDR Nova (although it tend to take a bit more tweaking) and sometimes, good old Spitfish will do a great job on it's own. As always, a bit of automation required here as well.
Singing, who said it was the glamorous role?
Also like TDR Nova (although it tend to take a bit more tweaking) and sometimes, good old Spitfish will do a great job on it's own. As always, a bit of automation required here as well.
Singing, who said it was the glamorous role?
- KVRAF
- 3261 posts since 27 Mar, 2010 from UK
Eiosis De-esser is well worth a look, very nice and intuitive deesser. Works well, give it a whirl.
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
I've got Pro-DS and Eiosis E2. For my money, Pro-DS gets better results faster. However, the E2 is more flexible and tweakable allowing you to EQ just the transient signal, or add some shelving to the main signal. However, I find the release times a little strange at times. I think either are great, but if I could pick just one, it'd be Pro-DS.
- KVRAF
- 10361 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Even though I have Pro-DS I still end up using FabFilter Pro-MB most of the time. It's insanely flexible and to my ears better at taming Esses. Sometimes I use both in series, usually Pro-MB first to take the "edge" off, then Pro-DS to reduce the overall Ess sound further.
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
I should probably add, if I were only doing vocals, I'd start with Pro-DS. If a mix, cymbal overheads, or even guitar squeaks, I'd probably start with E2.
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
And forgot about TDR Nova GE. A very capable wideband deesser when needed!
- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
Same here. I knock the worst sibilants down a bit with automation, then use Pro-DS or E2 to smooth them out the rest of the way.Keith99 wrote:pro-DS is very good but I must admit I still tend to do a lot of manual automation
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- KVRAF
- 2596 posts since 23 Jun, 2006
Same workflowbmanic wrote:Even though I have Pro-DS I still end up using FabFilter Pro-MB most of the time. It's insanely flexible and to my ears better at taming Esses. Sometimes I use both in series, usually Pro-MB first to take the "edge" off, then Pro-DS to reduce the overall Ess sound further.
- KVRAF
- 10361 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Oh by the way, forgot one "secret weapon", especially good on Esses that "whistle". Oeksound Soothe. It can be a real life saver sometimes (and not just for esses).
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- KVRian
- 652 posts since 2 Mar, 2015 from UK
DMG Audio Desser is worth a look and Eiosis
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- KVRAF
- 2375 posts since 12 Nov, 2014
Believe it or not, Ren Deesser is still quite effective.
http://www.waves.com/plugins/renaissance-deesser
Oh it's on sale too it would seem.
Outside that the Eiosis Deesser is fully featured and quite impressive. I don't have it though, so I can't testify to it.
http://www.eiosis.com/e2deesser
RX has a new Deesser. I'm looking forward to trying that one out. I do have to say that RX is NOT cheap.
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rep ... e-ess.html
http://www.waves.com/plugins/renaissance-deesser
Oh it's on sale too it would seem.
Outside that the Eiosis Deesser is fully featured and quite impressive. I don't have it though, so I can't testify to it.
http://www.eiosis.com/e2deesser
RX has a new Deesser. I'm looking forward to trying that one out. I do have to say that RX is NOT cheap.
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rep ... e-ess.html
- KVRAF
- 10361 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
Indeed! Completely forgot about the DMG De-esser. It's amazing! Especially when the source is within a subgroup or in a fully mixed song.Jax Pok wrote:DMG Audio Desser is worth a look and Eiosis
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- KVRist
- 149 posts since 14 Oct, 2015
They all do one thing, compress high frequency. The more the lookahead the better. a multi band compressor can do that.