Plugin for ridiculous Fuzz Pedal Distortion
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- KVRAF
- 4090 posts since 2 Jul, 2005
I'd recommend trying out Dent or Indent from Unfiltered Audio. They are extremely versatile distortion processors. There has not been much I haven't been able to do with them.
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- KVRist
- 41 posts since 27 Jun, 2014
Blue cat destructor
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- KVRist
- 417 posts since 30 Oct, 2014
Surprised this hasn't been brought up yet!!! Sounds great!
https://www.kuassa.com/products/efektor-fz3603-fuzz/
https://www.kuassa.com/products/efektor-fz3603-fuzz/
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- KVRAF
- 2569 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
For really crazy nasal fuzzy sounds the best bet is probably some kind of foldback distortion. A good number of standard distortion plugs will do this but for more control and more crazy then a graphical waveshaper is the way to go. Just draw some kind of daft stepped zig zig shape and refine from there. It won't sound very analogue, but that might be ok if running into more processing.
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- KVRer
- 5 posts since 3 Sep, 2017
You pretty much hit the nail right on the head. The amount of investment required to create a good software emulation is much higher than it is to just make an SMT clone. I would also add that a lot of these cheap "micro" clone pedals coming out are actually quite good (Mooer, Tone City, Donner, TomsLine, etc.), probably cheaper then any plugin you could find, and will get much closer to that sound.valhallasound wrote:This might be a ridiculous thing for a plugin developer to say, but I'd recommend using analog hardware in this case. There are some great lower cost fuzzes out there:
The EHX Big Muffs tend to be reasonable (the new Green Russian is pretty awesome for $80).
I'm hearing great things about the DOD Caracosa. $99. I have one on order, that should arrive early next week.
Biyang FZ-10 Fuzz Star. A clone of a Ram's Head Big Muff, with true bypass switching, for under $40. https://www.amazon.com/Biyang-FZ10-Fz-1 ... B003OKXBB8
Behringer Super Fuzz SF300. Ok, I would normally never recommend anything Behringer. But this is a clone of the Boss FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz, which is an AMAZINGLY HUGE RIPPING FUZZ. The FZ-2 is based on the Univox Super Fuzz, which is an enormous fuzz from the late 60s (think Cramps, Mudhoney). The FZ-2 adds low and high EQ, so you can boost the bass to corpulent levels. Anyway, the FZ-2 and Super Fuzz both command ridiculous $$$ on the used market. The Behringer SF300 is under $30. Probably pretty cheaply made, but hey, it's cheap! https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-SF300- ... B000T9PE9E
Sean Costello
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- KVRist
- 357 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
Thanks for pointing Driver outWinstontaneous wrote:Not a direct clone of any fuzz pedal, but the one distortion plugin that consistently makes me go "Sh!t, I'm about to lose control of this hairy beast" (in the best possible way) is NI's Driver.
The filter action reminds me of the Intermodulation Distortion on the Crowther Audio Prunes & Custard I had, and the EH BassBalls.
I had never tried it before. Gave it a try, loved it and picked it up in the market place.
A surprisingly flexible little plugin that gives me something different.
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- KVRian
- 1121 posts since 6 Mar, 2004
I think there's a really a big gaping hole in the market for some actually good sounding plugin Fuzz. I've tried pretty much everything from all the major amp sim players and haven't found a satisfying one that would really nail a good fuzz. There's always something weird and fizzy going on. The new Kuassa stuff (imo) isn't really any better than what's been done before - the distortion just doesn't sing like the real pedals do.
And most of the plugins mentioned in this thread aren't fuzzes at all (NI Driver, Fuzzplus..)
We really need andy from cytomic to do a Scream for fuzzes!
And most of the plugins mentioned in this thread aren't fuzzes at all (NI Driver, Fuzzplus..)
We really need andy from cytomic to do a Scream for fuzzes!
- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
Digital fuzzes run into the same aliasing issues as digital amp simulators, but to a much greater degree. You either need to use a TON of oversampling, and/or some other CPU extensive process to bandlimit the distortion.Liero wrote:I think there's a really a big gaping hole in the market for some actually good sounding plugin Fuzz. I've tried pretty much everything from all the major amp sim players and haven't found a satisfying one that would really nail a good fuzz. There's always something weird and fizzy going on. The new Kuassa stuff (imo) isn't really any better than what's been done before - the distortion just doesn't sing like the real pedals do.
And most of the plugins mentioned in this thread aren't fuzzes at all (NI Driver, Fuzzplus..)
For me, this is a relative cost issue. Let's say that you have a $2K MacBook Pro. If you need to use 5% of your CPU to get a good fuzz running without aliasing, you are using $100 of your computers capacity. $80 will buy you an EHX Green Russian (the new Big Muff from EHX), which sounds FANTASTIC. 5% of your computer is also several 10s of millions of transistors, simulating a box that might have 2 to 4 transistors.
Andy would do a good job.We really need andy from cytomic to do a Scream for fuzzes!
The nice thing about a good fuzz is that it is more "stand alone" than a Tube Screamer. A real TS808 sounds really thin and tinny on its own - it needs to feed into a good amp (or good amp simulator). Something like a Big Muff is doing most of the heavy lifting already. Plenty of musicians have used fuzz boxes directly into a mixing board, or into the filters of a synth (Eno), so a standalone fuzz plugin could be really cool.
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- KVRian
- 1121 posts since 6 Mar, 2004
Well that is simplifying things to a high degree. I could imagine a lot of people, including me, valuing a speedy in-the-box workflow very high - not to mention the i/o needed for routing analog stuff in and out of digital systems. I'd _much_ rather have a plugin solution for fuzz than fiddling around with actual pedals, and I wouldn't mind the CPU hit (which I don't mind with The Scream either).valhallasound wrote: For me, this is a relative cost issue. Let's say that you have a $2K MacBook Pro. If you need to use 5% of your CPU to get a good fuzz running without aliasing, you are using $80 of your computers capacity. $80 will buy you an EHX Green Russian (the new Big Muff from EHX), which sounds FANTASTIC. 5% of your computer is also several 10s of millions of transistors, simulating a box that might have 2 to 4 transistors.
But, as with all things, it's a matter of taste.
Totally agree on the stand-alone thing.
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- KVRian
- 1092 posts since 1 Jul, 2008
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- Waaaaahhh
- 2224 posts since 30 Jul, 2001 from montreal, quebec,canada
Trash 2
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/cre ... trash.html
Fabfilter Saturn
https://www.fabfilter.com/products/satu ... on-plug-in
Ohmicide
https://www.ohmforce.com/ViewProduct.do?p=Ohmicide
Also "polarizer" (carefull with this one put a limiter after it before playback)
http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/extras/
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/cre ... trash.html
Fabfilter Saturn
https://www.fabfilter.com/products/satu ... on-plug-in
Ohmicide
https://www.ohmforce.com/ViewProduct.do?p=Ohmicide
Also "polarizer" (carefull with this one put a limiter after it before playback)
http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/extras/
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- KVRAF
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
Already on it!Liero wrote:I think there's a really a big gaping hole in the market for some actually good sounding plugin Fuzz. I've tried pretty much everything from all the major amp sim players and haven't found a satisfying one that would really nail a good fuzz. There's always something weird and fizzy going on. The new Kuassa stuff (imo) isn't really any better than what's been done before - the distortion just doesn't sing like the real pedals do.
And most of the plugins mentioned in this thread aren't fuzzes at all (NI Driver, Fuzzplus..)
We really need andy from cytomic to do a Scream for fuzzes!
I'll make a general circuit where I'll add extra components so it will be able to emulate pretty much every fuzz pedal ever made, and also allow you to switch between accurate models of silicon and germanium transistors. You'll be able to edit every parameter of every component just like you can with The Scream. It should be slightly lower cpu than The Scream as well, since there are fewer components in the circuit.
Haven't really thought about names yet, but the most obvious may work: how about "The Fuzz"?
The kit cost me USD 85 plus shipping, so sure a fuzz pedal isn't that expensive, but if you want stereo then you'll need to buy two of them, then it won't save its settings in the song, you can't automate any settings, and you don't have 10 different fuzz pedals on call for whatever you need, or the ability to quickly mess around with any component value and come up with crazy sounds. With software you also don't have to have hiss if you don't want, which is just impossible with hardware. As for oversampling of course you can use the low cpu mode for realtime and crank up the oversampling on render to get pristine anti-aliased results.
I still think for USD 29 a supremely detailed fuzz face emulation will be a fantastic little plugin, and well worth the investment
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com
- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
That's exciting news, Andy!andy-cytomic wrote:Already on it!Liero wrote: We really need andy from cytomic to do a Scream for fuzzes!
Would this be a dedicated Fuzz Face (Tone Bender, Vox Distortion Booster, etc.), or would you incorporate other fuzzes such as the Big Muff? I could see the Big Muff being a good idea for a future plugin, as there are TONS of mods for that circuit that really change the character of it. A good overview of the Big Muff variants, including detailed schematics and circuit analysis:I'll make a general circuit where I'll add extra components so it will be able to emulate pretty much every fuzz pedal ever made, and also allow you to switch between accurate models of silicon and germanium transistors. You'll be able to edit every parameter of every component just like you can with The Scream. It should be slightly lower cpu than The Scream as well, since there are fewer components in the circuit.
http://www.bigmuffpage.com/Big_Muff_Pi_ ... part1.html
- KVRAF
- 2637 posts since 3 Dec, 2008
Thanks Sean! The big muff is quite a different circuit, so they would be different plugins from the fuzz face. I'll add extra passive components to a circuit to cover all the variations between builds of the same pedal, and possibly even some extra diodes if it won't impact cpu too much. I want to support something not possible with an actual circuit, and that is to morph between sets of values, and automate this morphing. If the topology of the circuit changes clearly it won't be possible to morph between the circuits!valhallasound wrote:
That's exciting news, Andy!
Would this be a dedicated Fuzz Face (Tone Bender, Vox Distortion Booster, etc.), or would you incorporate other fuzzes such as the Big Muff? I could see the Big Muff being a good idea for a future plugin, as there are TONS of mods for that circuit that really change the character of it. A good overview of the Big Muff variants, including detailed schematics and circuit analysis:
http://www.bigmuffpage.com/Big_Muff_Pi_ ... part1.html
I plan to do a few more stomps, and I'll roll them all out at $29 a pop. Currently planned are a guv'nor, a RAT, and a big muff, but I also like the look of a bunch of the boss stuff like the FZ-2 which is all discrete components in the distortion section, since it will be ultra fun to screw around with the components and make all sorts of variations.
The Glue, The Drop - www.cytomic.com