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Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

ckargi
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Postby ckargi; Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:57 am Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

Greetings,

If you are doing techno or deep what do you think about waves plugins such as Renaissance, API 2500 , C6 Multiband and CLA 2A/76 in terms of compressing bass,kick and synths?
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Postby antic604; Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:59 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

https://youtu.be/dtj6dDARgfQ?t=30s

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andymcbain
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Postby andymcbain; Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:41 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

There's absolutely no reason not to try any of these compressors, or any other compressor when making Techno or Deep House. If you like what they're doing to your music then use them.
Halonmusic
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Postby Halonmusic; Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:13 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

Whats "Deep" ?
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do_androids_dream
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Postby do_androids_dream; Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:19 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

ckargi wrote:Greetings,

If you are doing techno or deep what do you think about waves plugins such as Renaissance, API 2500 , C6 Multiband and CLA 2A/76 in terms of compressing bass,kick and synths?


I don't rate many Waves comps. Audiotrack and the Linear Phase Multiband are the only ones I like pretty much. The style of music you make is probably not too relevant - try each compressor and see if it does what you're after. When I write techno I try not to use compression on individual channels too much because it tends to suck the energy out of the source. I like using it over a whole mix though.
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Postby Moosy_Moose; Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:24 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

I've tried a couple of waves compressors and liked the Api 2500 the most, followed by the LA2A emulation. Api is pretty flexible and has a nice character. LA2A has a nice character. If you're not looking for a comp that colors, then I'd recommend the Fabfilter compressor and the Tokyo Dawn Kotelnikov compressor (don't let the price fool you).
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Postby acYm; Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:08 pm Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

for me with waves comps it's all about the dpr-402, dbx 160 and sometimes kramer pie.

not sure why the crowd is so silent about the dpr, I think it's quite amazing.
ckargi
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Postby ckargi; Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:09 pm Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

Halonmusic wrote:Whats "Deep" ?


Deep is whatever you understand from deep.
ckargi
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Postby ckargi; Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:13 pm Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

do_androids_dream wrote:
I don't rate many Waves comps. Audiotrack and the Linear Phase Multiband are the only ones I like pretty much. The style of music you make is probably not too relevant - try each compressor and see if it does what you're after. When I write techno I try not to use compression on individual channels too much because it tends to suck the energy out of the source. I like using it over a whole mix though.



Using in whole mix? Do you mean bus mix or mastering or something else? I am looking for something which makes kicks more deep and solid. For bass, I need something which adds some color and loudness together while not taking its energy away.

Thanks for the reply btw.
ckargi
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Postby ckargi; Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:15 pm Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

Moosy_Moose wrote:I've tried a couple of waves compressors and liked the Api 2500 the most, followed by the LA2A emulation. Api is pretty flexible and has a nice character. LA2A has a nice character. If you're not looking for a comp that colors, then I'd recommend the Fabfilter compressor and the Tokyo Dawn Kotelnikov compressor (don't let the price fool you).


I heard that api2500 is great compressor but I wonder how it works on mono channels such as bass and kickdrums.
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rod_zero
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Postby rod_zero; Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:04 pm Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

They surely can be used, but for those genres more modern tools might get you faster: Ni Supercharger GT, Elysia Karacter, U.he presswerk, Fabfilter ProC2.

Nevertheless any DB160 emulation will be very useful to enhance drums.
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do_androids_dream
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Postby do_androids_dream; Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:13 pm Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

ckargi wrote:
do_androids_dream wrote:
I don't rate many Waves comps. Audiotrack and the Linear Phase Multiband are the only ones I like pretty much. The style of music you make is probably not too relevant - try each compressor and see if it does what you're after. When I write techno I try not to use compression on individual channels too much because it tends to suck the energy out of the source. I like using it over a whole mix though.



Using in whole mix? Do you mean bus mix or mastering or something else? I am looking for something which makes kicks more deep and solid. For bass, I need something which adds some color and loudness together while not taking its energy away.

Thanks for the reply btw.


To be honest.. I would just use a different kick rather than try to process something that wasn't 99% there already.. But, if you want to clamp down the thump, solidity, then a coloured limiter might be better. Audiotrack, imo, is also a good choice for this. Sometimes using a transient enhancer going into a limiter is a good way to do it too.

For colour (kick or bass) I would use saturation - or a compressor that has a strong saturated colour. My absolute favourite for this - before I went all 64 bit - was digitalfishphones Blockfish. Now, if I want colour I use T Racks Opto Compressor - highly underrated processor that nearly always sounds good.

Yes, I meant master buss compression. I like to use it creatively with techno. I honestly don't have enough individual tracks within an average techno track to buss anything..
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Postby andymcbain; Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:27 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

do_androids_dream wrote:To be honest.. I would just use a different kick rather than try to process something that wasn't 99% there already...


100% agree with this!

Personally every time I've tried to add some "magic" to a kick drum with a vintage style compressor or EQ I've just thought "meh" to be honest. Other's may have had better results. I much prefer to get the kick sound I want through layering samples.
Moosy_Moose
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Postby Moosy_Moose; Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:55 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

ckargi wrote:
Moosy_Moose wrote:I've tried a couple of waves compressors and liked the Api 2500 the most, followed by the LA2A emulation. Api is pretty flexible and has a nice character. LA2A has a nice character. If you're not looking for a comp that colors, then I'd recommend the Fabfilter compressor and the Tokyo Dawn Kotelnikov compressor (don't let the price fool you).


I heard that api2500 is great compressor but I wonder how it works on mono channels such as bass and kickdrums.


It comes in a stereo and mono version. So you're using the plugin on a mono track just slap the corresponding version on it and you're good to go.
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Postby bidule; Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:21 am Re: Waves Compressors on Techno and Deep.

I would say Alesis 3630 in plugin form :hihi:

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