Worthless if you can't use it. And no rational sane human being will want to go near that train wreck.AJYoung wrote:Probably the old VST version of ZynAddSubFX that everyone forgets about. Sure it's only 32-bit and the interface is disastrous, but it's THE most powerful freeware synth out there, period. 16-part multitimbral, 3 synthesis engines per part (one of which has 8 OSC's and Mod OSC's), and an internal mixer where you can route effects anywhere in the chain. You can write entire songs using only one instance of this thing.
Best free synth to rule them all?
- KVRAF
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Yep, AIR Xpand!2 (free now), Orion and their upcoming SampleScience Player, Cyclone, WusikStation 8 (free for a while), Tx16WX, sforzando/ARIA… and Greenoak Crystal loads samples, too. Some have FX, some don't. It's purely a matter of individual taste, but I would choose from this list over Synth1.pdxindy wrote:Is there a free sampler?
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
If you only have a basic VST player then I wouldn't even want to use VSTs frankly. While I find these kinds of polls a bit silly, there are only a few answers given the constraints and sufficient ability:
pure data (pd)
https://puredata.info/
SuperCollider
http://supercollider.github.io/
CSound
http://csound.github.io/
BazilleCM is cool, but too limiting. I'd prefer VCV if I was going to be limited to just one synth and it wasn't an audio programming environment. But if my other tools were limited then one of the above languages are going to be much more interesting.
pure data (pd)
https://puredata.info/
SuperCollider
http://supercollider.github.io/
CSound
http://csound.github.io/
BazilleCM is cool, but too limiting. I'd prefer VCV if I was going to be limited to just one synth and it wasn't an audio programming environment. But if my other tools were limited then one of the above languages are going to be much more interesting.
- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Good answer. So, what would you say is the "one language to rule them all?" Then there's CDP...ghettosynth wrote:But if my other tools were limited then one of the above languages are going to be much more interesting.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Like everything else, it depends. They each have advantages, but all of them are free. Interestingly, I think that it's hard to trump them with commercial offerings in terms of pure flexibility. That said, if I could choose commercial offerings I'd probably chose Reaktor even though I don't think that it's the most powerful.Michael L wrote:Good answer. So, what would you say is the "one language to rule them all?" Then there's CDP...ghettosynth wrote:But if my other tools were limited then one of the above languages are going to be much more interesting.
- KVRAF
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- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
Yeah, I know this kind of thing is silly, so don't take it too seriously. The point of a 'desert island' consideration isn't really if you were on a desert island with a laptop and a solar panel, but what would be the essential free VST plugin. I only limited the conditions so someone doesn't say "just use your DAW's..." It is just for the sake of conversation. So non-VSTs don't count either.
If you have requests for Korg VST features or changes, they are listening at https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
- KVRAF
- 4822 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Well, Camomile is a VST that plays PureData patches; CSound VST is a frontend; there's an AU wrapper for SuperCollider; the plot thickens….braj wrote:So non-VSTs don't count either.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
So then why not ask what you really want instead of creating dumb constraints that are meaningless? You're still going to get the same answer, every single time! These threads are always a laundry list of popular plugins. Something that you can easily find out by googling "best free VST synths for 2017."braj wrote:Yeah, I know this kind of thing is silly, so don't take it too seriously. The point of a 'desert island' consideration isn't really if you were on a desert island with a laptop and a solar panel, but what would be the essential free VST plugin. I only limited the conditions so someone doesn't say "just use your DAW's..." It is just for the sake of conversation. So non-VSTs don't count either.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=best+free+synth+VSTs+2017
There is no single essential free software plugin and even if there were, you wouldn't figure out what it is with this kind of thread.
If you're going to argue for a restrictive environment with just one VST, then there is no value to using VSTs or any other kind of plugin. There are, however, often cases where restrictions are actually a valid concern. For example, I sometimes travel with work laptops and I don't want to or can't install software onto the laptops. In those cases, I want tools that will run from a flash drive, e.g., Reaper, pd, etc.
When I can install software, I've often chosen just to install Reason 5 because I like that it's completely self contained and it gives me a fun environment that is relaxing to mess around in. Sometimes language based environments are the last thing that I want.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Yep! If one is saddled to a shitty VST host, however, PD and CSound are better solutions all by themselves.Michael L wrote:Well, Camomile is a VST that plays PureData patches; CSound VST is a frontend; there's an AU wrapper for SuperCollider; the plot thickens….braj wrote:So non-VSTs don't count either.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
Hey man, away with your shitty attitude, you're officially ignored. You don't have to participate in this thread.
If you have requests for Korg VST features or changes, they are listening at https://support.korguser.net/hc/en-us/requests/new
- KVRist
- 334 posts since 19 Aug, 2014
I must be fairly crazy then! I've spent enough time with the thing that I can navigate it's many windows with (relative) ease. To be fair, I've never used it in one of my actual productions. And I'd certainly never recommend it to someone who wants a synth with a fast workflow.wagtunes wrote:Worthless if you can't use it. And no rational sane human being will want to go near that train wreck.
But if we're talking only one free synth or the "desert island" situation, that's what I'd choose. Mainly because it is so powerful and has all of the synthesis types, effects, and mixing tools I'd need in one package.
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
That's always the problem with these threads. It's a nonsense scenario that causes people to think about versatility at the expense of other considerations. It's really a problem that nobody has and it generally doesn't lead to much in the way of insight. It certainly doesn't lead to a discussion of the best free synths overall.AJYoung wrote:[
But if we're talking only one free synth or the "desert island" situation, that's what I'd choose. Mainly because it is so powerful and has all of the synthesis types, effects, and mixing tools I'd need in one package.
- KVRist
- 476 posts since 20 Mar, 2015 from Nerima, Tokyo
Zebralette (because you wanted effects), now come join osc104
- KVRist
- 334 posts since 19 Aug, 2014
Fair enough. Definitely a nonsense scenario, which is why I rarely use Zyn for serious work. The old VST version just isn't intuitive or fast enough to use on a normal project. But it's certainly fun to play around with in my free time.ghettosynth wrote:That's always the problem...
Rather than seeing the nonsense scenario as a problem with threads like these, I kind of see it as the point. It's fun to use your imagination and consider, "what would I do in a situation like this?". Of course it's never going to happen, but there's no harm in fantasizing.
I imagine that's the draw behind the One Synth Challenge, to actually put yourself in an unrealistic situation and see what you can make of it. OSC just has a lot more organized structure than "Hey, wouldn't it be crazy if I could only use one synth? I wonder which one it would be...".
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Only for the first five hundred times, then you'd just wish people would learn how to use google to answer their own questions, especially if they are going to have a stick wedged up their ass over their pointless constraints.AJYoung wrote:Fair enough. Definitely a nonsense scenario, which is why I rarely use Zyn for serious work. The old VST version just isn't intuitive or fast enough to use on a normal project. But it's certainly fun to play around with in my free time.ghettosynth wrote:That's always the problem...
Rather than seeing the nonsense scenario as a problem with threads like these, I kind of see it as the point. It's fun to use your imagination and consider, "what would I do in a situation like this?". Of course it's never going to happen, but there's no harm in fantasizing.
Again, if that's what you're interested in, why not ask it directly "Have you ever thought about a minimalist setup and what tools do you prefer?"
There are a hundred ways to ask an interesting variant of the question that would facilitate discussion but, no, we get the same lazy repeat of the same question that's been asked a thousand times with the same answers every single time.