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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:00 pm

Mutant wrote:Because i can't believe an old synth like the Prophet 5 is that surgically stable.

Rev 3 was comparatively much more stable than Rev 2. Rev 2 is 70s horror soundtracks sound! Also, if they had the original recapped with better tolerance parts...

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:08 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Mutant wrote:Because i can't believe an old synth like the Prophet 5 is that surgically stable.
Rev 3 was comparatively much more stable than Rev 2. Rev 2 is 70s horror soundtracks sound! Also, if they had the original recapped with better tolerance parts...

After i tuned the R5 oscillator and another synth oscillator to the exact same pitch, i literally listened and watched the 2 saws on the oscillator for minutes and heard/saw no phasing at all.
But maybe i was just dealt 2 very similar random values on that S/G LFO.

This is why controls for that feature should be exposed to the user.
There is some point where assigning just 1 random detune value to every voice will have the same audible effect as an extremely slow and subtle drift.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:32 am

It's quite possible that Detune at 0 switches Drift off completely. The detune knob doesn't do anything in poly mode on the real hardware, but in Repro-5 it controls the amount of drift and natural detune. The first few percent (not sure how much atm) enable drift with a bit of detune, and then just crazy detune.

Being able to switch it off completely is a must for people who use microtonal scales. It isn't a bug.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:50 am

Urs wrote:It's quite possible that Detune at 0 switches Drift off completely.

Haha !

I assumed the detune knob had only one function - detuning the voices.
Sure i had that knob at 0.

A feature request then:
Make the drift control independent of the detune control.
Or at least describe the effects of values of the detune knob in detail in the manual.

*It is of course not THAT important to me, i can always use REAPERs parameter modulation and routing to make the drift heavy with medium or small detune.

I have a question.

VOICE DETUNE knob: Effective at all times, independent of
UNISON status. Per-voice subtle to serious detuning, as well as
various other offsets.

Does "various other offsets" include subtle differences in LFOs and envelopes times, key and filter tracking ?
These effects are probably very tiny on your test subject Prophet 5, but for sure they would make the VSTi sound more "vintage".

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:15 pm

And just tried the P1 oscillator preset now.
No flutter at all.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:09 pm

Mutant wrote:And just tried the P1 oscillator preset now.
No flutter at all.

I can clearly hear it when I switch back and forth between P1 and ideal. Ideal is absolutely straight, P1 isn't.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:17 pm

Urs wrote:
Mutant wrote:And just tried the P1 oscillator preset now.
No flutter at all.
I can clearly hear it when I switch back and forth between P1 and ideal. Ideal is absolutely straight, P1 isn't.

Maybe our definitions of flutter differ.
Yes, i can hear that P1 is differen't, but no i don't see the 50/60hz flutter on the spectrum analyzer as i can clearly see it on The Legend:

It is a very subtle effect, but it sure makes the oscillators "fatter" (i don't like using that word in this context).

Also sorry for being annoying - maybe it shows how much i care and how much i want to know about Repro-5.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:29 pm

Mutant wrote:
Urs wrote:
Mutant wrote:And just tried the P1 oscillator preset now.
No flutter at all.
I can clearly hear it when I switch back and forth between P1 and ideal. Ideal is absolutely straight, P1 isn't.
Maybe our definitions of flutter differ.
Yes, i can hear that P1 is differen't, but no i don't see the 50/60hz flutter on the spectrum analyzer as i can clearly see it on The Legend.
It is a very subtle effect, but it sure makes the oscillators "fatter" (i don't like using that word in this context).

Also sorry for being annoying - maybe it shows how much i care and how much i want to know about Repro 5.

Well the Legend omits the audio bleed through from the cutoff modulation instead. Developers make individual decisions as to what they consider meaningful and what they'd rather not do. I consider any 50/60Hz bleed through a great source for bug reports, but I found the CV bleed through very important.

We do occasionally get bug reports where a Repro-1 goes out of tune after a few hours so the user had to restart the host. We're glad we haven't made the effect any worse (and I think we capped the drift now...)

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:52 pm

I have been trying to reproduce the main sound from radiohead's 'everything in its right place' for years and while I have gotten close, with r5 I got it pretty much spot on with almost no effort: you can hear pretty much straight away that its the same synth.

Excellent job.

suthnear · Post by **suthnear** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:57 pm

@mutant - I did a quick test of a long held note of a single saw from r5's init patch against serum's init patch and there is definitely movement. I even duplicated the serum patch against itself to make sure that serum wasn't contributing to this (somehow), but nope: it's as stable as you would imagine serum to be.

Chris-S · Post by **Chris-S** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:02 pm

Many patches are velocity sensitive. But the original was not, correct?

And now rehearsing the Kim Carnes Bette Davis Eyes riff...

Patch: TUC David Betty's Eyes

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:02 pm

Yep, original was not velocity sensitive AFAIK.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:10 pm

suthnear wrote:@mutant - I did a quick test of a long held note of a single saw from r5's init patch against serum's init patch and there is definitely movement. I even duplicated the serum patch against itself to make sure that serum wasn't contributing to this (somehow), but nope: it's as stable as you would imagine serum to be.

Thanks.

I confirmed the movement earlier today too, at max detune knob setting.

nordickvr · Post by **nordickvr** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:17 pm

EvilDragon wrote:Yep, original was not velocity sensitive AFAIK.

You needed a "Retrofit Kit" to bring some midi options e.g. velocity response, aftertouch response, etc.
Don't know when it came out though.

waltercruz · Post by **waltercruz** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:26 pm

suthnear wrote:I have been trying to reproduce the main sound from radiohead's 'everything in its right place' for years and while I have gotten close, with r5 I got it pretty much spot on with almost no effort: you can hear pretty much straight away that its the same synth.

Excellent job.

There's a preset for it, have you seen it?