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DzAH · Post by **DzAH** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:22 am

does this scale have a name?

C-C#-Eb-E-F#-G-A-Bb

i found it by doing Gm(cord) into lowering the D(note) into a C#(note), and then going from G+C# into A(cord) into Dm.. so...

Normal:
Gm-A-Dm

Strange:
Gm-strange-A-Dm

Im trying to explore the scale by itself (melodies+harmonies) and it sound really strange. Im sure if you try you can come up with something interesting.

Does anyone of you use this scale already?

And, how to make sense of it? I'm coming from a classical theory background.. I have problems to explain it, yet it seems to work well in the progression.

DzAH · Post by **DzAH** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:27 am

well no wonder it sound strange.. it contains 8 notes and not a single one of those seems to have to both dominant and subdominant present.. lol

Poogle · Post by **Poogle** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:47 am

Half-whole diminished scale, or Octatonic scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octatonic_scale

DzAH · Post by **DzAH** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:06 am

wow that was fast.. thanks a lot

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:42 pm

Here's an example of it working in a harmony:
C7; now here's what's implied as extensions by the scale: Db is b9; D# is #9; [E is your 3rd]; F# is #11; [G your 5th]; A is the 13th; [Bb your 7th].

nineofkings · Post by **nineofkings** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:18 pm

This scale is used in jazz and 20th-century classical music. One fun thing about it is that it's symmetrical - it's the same starting on C, or Eb, or F#, or A.

goldenhelix · Post by **goldenhelix** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:19 pm

If you are interested in scales like this, I recommend you study Messiaen's modes of limited transposition. This is the 2nd of such modes. The first one is the whole tone scale. The other five are not as commonly known and don't really have easily recognizable names.

Then there are many many other symmetrical scales. One interesting document that discusses some ways to derive them and the types of chords available, etc. is this https://github.com/shimpe/mints/blob/ma ... f?raw=true

xabilon · Post by **xabilon** » Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:39 pm

nineofkings wrote:This scale is used in jazz and 20th-century classical music. One fun thing about it is that it's symmetrical - it's the same starting on C, or Eb, or F#, or A.

And the practical consequence is that you only have to learn three disminished scales :
C, C# and D.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:12 am

Here's something:

Slonimsky Thesaurus of Scales and Melodic Patterns

Slonimsky broke 12 tones down all kind of ways. Rather famous book.

also see Busoni

strange scale..