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DJErmac
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Postby DJErmac; Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:15 pm Re: SONiVOX Stratum

jbarish wrote:Has anything ever been good from SONIVOX??? I put them in the same "Better Off Flushing Your $$$ Down the Toilet" category as Sknote, Crysonic, Beatskillz, and SoundSpot.

Sknote ? Nooooo, the products are excellent.
zzz00m
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Postby zzz00m; Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:43 pm Re: SONiVOX Stratum

jbarish wrote:Has anything ever been good from SONIVOX??? I put them in the same "Better Off Flushing Your $$$ Down the Toilet" category


I'm not sure I would go that far, but of all the music software products I have bought so far, that is the only one I actually regret overall. But not in any major way, just in how all the little things add up.

I bought the SONiVOX Premier bundle over a year ago, and that included the Film Score Companion, TimewARP 2600, and a bunch of other stuff.

For starters, they make some claims about some features in the Companion series - Strings, Woodwinds, and Brass. Like how you can use the mod wheel to create dynamic swells.
Each patch and preset is easily playable by virtually every level of performer. All instruments are presented in multi-velocity layers, with natural swells available via the modulation wheel
Not!!!!

So, these are actually some decent orchestral samples, but the interface lacks the playability to make this useful from a performance standpoint. Close, but not quite there. That's the most annoying part. It could have been so much better with just a bit more effort.

There is also a crashing issue with Big Bang Cinematic percussion. There are workarounds for that.

But still, their support seems to be non-existent beyond setup issues. If you bring up bugs, they may be acknowledged, but generally ignored. No updates or service packs have been issued for years. So that is probably why some folks have deemed them rubbish.

Now I didn't pay a whole lot for the bundle, since I got an upgrade deal from a $1 instrument. So at least I probably got my money's worth with TimewARP 2600, and the Eighty-Eight Ensemble, which I do like.

But until they can prove they are fully engaged with their customers, and actively supporting what they have sold, I will vote with my next dollar for companies who do so.
Windows 10; with instruments from AIR, Ample Sound, AAS, Cakewalk, IK Multimedia, iZotope, KV331, NI, SONiVOX, TAL, Tracktion, u-he, Way Out Ware, XLN, others...
enCiphered
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45 posts since 13 Dec, 2016

Postby enCiphered; Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:08 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

I wonder if this kind of GUI design is a new trend :tu:
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/synthw ... beatskillz
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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:22 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

enCiphered wrote:I wonder if this kind of GUI design is a new trend :tu:
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/synthw ... beatskillz


Who decided it was a good idea to add distracting screen reflections? I wonder if they've coded mouse-acceleration algorithms that mimic a dirty ball-mouse that doesn't track properly :dog: :dog:
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Big Tick
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Postby Big Tick; Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:36 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

zzz00m wrote:But until they can prove they are fully engaged with their customers, and actively supporting what they have sold, I will vote with my next dollar for companies who do so.


Actually, bug fixes now fall on the Qubiq engine, so the real question is, how much do you trust the people behind Qubiq....
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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:53 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

nvm
mcbpete
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1083 posts since 24 Jun, 2006, from London, England

Postby mcbpete; Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:58 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:Who decided it was a good idea to add distracting screen reflections? I wonder if they've coded mouse-acceleration algorithms that mimic a dirty ball-mouse that doesn't track properly :dog: :dog:
Just putting the finishing touches on the GUI for my C64 SID VSTi:

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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:04 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

mcbpete wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:Who decided it was a good idea to add distracting screen reflections? I wonder if they've coded mouse-acceleration algorithms that mimic a dirty ball-mouse that doesn't track properly :dog: :dog:
Just putting the finishing touches on the GUI for my C64 SID VSTi:

Image


:lol: :lol: :lol:
zzz00m
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Postby zzz00m; Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:26 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

Big Tick wrote:
zzz00m wrote:But until they can prove they are fully engaged with their customers, and actively supporting what they have sold, I will vote with my next dollar for companies who do so.


Actually, bug fixes now fall on the Qubiq engine, so the real question is, how much do you trust the people behind Qubiq....


Well since you asked nicely, I will inform you that the founder and CEO of Qubiq Audio was the founder of SONiVOX. In all fairness that person sold the company to inMusic in 2012, so the support issues of late happened under inMusic. https://www.qubiqaudio.com/about-us

But the new Qubiq products are being marketed and sold under the new SONiVOX (inMusic) label.
https://sonivoxmi.com/products/details/ ... wave-synth

So it's kind of like if you buy a Samsung phone. The Android engine is developed by Google, but you must get all of your support and bug fixes from the phone manufacturer, not the creator of the engine. If Samsung ends support for a phone, you cannot call Google for a fix.

I guess time will tell...
Windows 10; with instruments from AIR, Ample Sound, AAS, Cakewalk, IK Multimedia, iZotope, KV331, NI, SONiVOX, TAL, Tracktion, u-he, Way Out Ware, XLN, others...
Big Tick
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3212 posts since 28 May, 2001, from New York, NY

Postby Big Tick; Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:06 am Re: SONiVOX Stratum

zzz00m wrote:Well since you asked nicely, I will inform you that the founder and CEO of Qubiq Audio was the founder of SONiVOX. In all fairness that person sold the company to inMusic in 2012, so the support issues of late happened under inMusic. https://www.qubiqaudio.com/about-us


Dude. Read that page again and check who the 2nd founder is.
zzz00m
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Postby zzz00m; Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:55 pm Re: SONiVOX Stratum

Big Tick wrote:
zzz00m wrote:Well since you asked nicely, I will inform you that the founder and CEO of Qubiq Audio was the founder of SONiVOX. In all fairness that person sold the company to inMusic in 2012, so the support issues of late happened under inMusic. https://www.qubiqaudio.com/about-us


Dude. Read that page again and check who the 2nd founder is.


That sounds great! Congrats! I don't have any issue with the technology, and it looks interesting.

It has more to do with support and business issues with inMusic Brands.

I have also been a customer of Alesis and M-Audio (beginning with Midiman) for over 20 years, beginning long before the inMusic era. Since then I have acquired products from AIR, Akai, and SONiVOX.

I think that inMusic has allowed the SONiVOX brand to wither the most, and understandably public opinion has not been kind. It takes a lot to earn trust, but it is easy to lose. And harder to regain.
Windows 10; with instruments from AIR, Ample Sound, AAS, Cakewalk, IK Multimedia, iZotope, KV331, NI, SONiVOX, TAL, Tracktion, u-he, Way Out Ware, XLN, others...
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UltimateOutsider
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742 posts since 4 Oct, 2009, from Portland, OR

Postby UltimateOutsider; Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:29 pm Re: SONiVOX Stratum

Wait- SONiVOX released a 64-bit plugin?
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Aloysius
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Postby Aloysius; Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:31 pm Re: SONiVOX Stratum

Actually, a 63 bit. One bit fell off. It will be stuck back on during the next update.
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Halonmusic
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Postby Halonmusic; Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:23 pm Re: SONiVOX Stratum

Aloysius wrote:Actually, a 63 bit. One bit fell off. It will be stuck back on during the next update.


Lol :lol:
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