TAL Sampler 4, new look - free update!
- KVRAF
- 4330 posts since 3 Jan, 2003 from Vancouver
For me, Sampler starts with the presets tab open. Drum starts with the samples tab open.
the old free version may not work boots successfully on new generations of computers, instruments, and hardware
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 198 posts since 6 Sep, 2016 from Otago, New Zealand
This was changed a little while ago after a user request, could you please make sure you're running an up to date version of TAL Sampler? Current version is 4.3.7
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-sampler
You can subscribe to my stickied update thread to get a notification when any of the plugins are updated too.
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Patrick is taking a look at this, at minimum it will save the state you last set, not sure if he intends also to add an option to select your default. For me I sometimes want presets and sometimes want samples so I'd be happy with it at least retaining what I have it set to.
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- KVRian
- 980 posts since 7 Dec, 2017
Looks like I'm at v4.2.6 so I'll need to update. I think defaulting to the last tab used is a great idea. Thanks.EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:49 pmThis was changed a little while ago after a user request, could you please make sure you're running an up to date version of TAL Sampler? Current version is 4.3.7
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-sampler
You can subscribe to my stickied update thread to get a notification when any of the plugins are updated too.
viewtopic.php?t=592462
Patrick is taking a look at this, at minimum it will save the state you last set, not sure if he intends also to add an option to select your default. For me I sometimes want presets and sometimes want samples so I'd be happy with it at least retaining what I have it set to.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 198 posts since 6 Sep, 2016 from Otago, New Zealand
Hmm that's very recent so I doubt it will change anything but let me know, maybe let me know your DAW too if your default still seems to be different to everyone else's
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- KVRist
- 342 posts since 8 Sep, 2005 from Seattle
I'm noticing with TAL Sampler's Delay effect there seems to be something odd going on, or maybe I'm misunderstanding it. From the default patch, with spread at zero and offset at .50, I'm still getting a stereo delay, the left side more prominent, as if there's still an offset. Maybe a bug?
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 198 posts since 6 Sep, 2016 from Otago, New Zealand
Yeah I agree, it sounds quite odd, even just engaging the delay seems to make the dry signal sound different and there is no setting that gives a totally mono delay. Thanks for that I'll have a chat with Patrick about it, afaik nothing was changed in the fx section recently!mjudge55 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:35 pm I'm noticing with TAL Sampler's Delay effect there seems to be something odd going on, or maybe I'm misunderstanding it. From the default patch, with spread at zero and offset at .50, I'm still getting a stereo delay, the left side more prominent, as if there's still an offset. Maybe a bug?
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- KVRist
- 342 posts since 8 Sep, 2005 from Seattle
Hey there, just checking back on this, hoping a fix for the delay is on TAL's list -- thanks.EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:35 pmYeah I agree, it sounds quite odd, even just engaging the delay seems to make the dry signal sound different and there is no setting that gives a totally mono delay. Thanks for that I'll have a chat with Patrick about it, afaik nothing was changed in the fx section recently!mjudge55 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:35 pm I'm noticing with TAL Sampler's Delay effect there seems to be something odd going on, or maybe I'm misunderstanding it. From the default patch, with spread at zero and offset at .50, I'm still getting a stereo delay, the left side more prominent, as if there's still an offset. Maybe a bug?
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 198 posts since 6 Sep, 2016 from Otago, New Zealand
yep I passed it on, I'll check in and make sure it hasn't been forgotten. Cheers.mjudge55 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:06 pmHey there, just checking back on this, hoping a fix for the delay is on TAL's list -- thanks.EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:35 pmYeah I agree, it sounds quite odd, even just engaging the delay seems to make the dry signal sound different and there is no setting that gives a totally mono delay. Thanks for that I'll have a chat with Patrick about it, afaik nothing was changed in the fx section recently!mjudge55 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:35 pm I'm noticing with TAL Sampler's Delay effect there seems to be something odd going on, or maybe I'm misunderstanding it. From the default patch, with spread at zero and offset at .50, I'm still getting a stereo delay, the left side more prominent, as if there's still an offset. Maybe a bug?
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- KVRist
- 342 posts since 8 Sep, 2005 from Seattle
I just installed 4.4.9 and it seemed this issue was resolved in that spread is set by default at .50 and echoes are in mono. If you move the spread parameter it of course becomes stereo but then if you bring it back to .50 the effect is still slightly stereo. If you double click to bring the parameter to default (.50) the effect is again mono, suggesting manually turning the knob to .50 actually gets you a value slightly more or less than that. Maybe it always worked that way and I just wasn't catching on. In any case, I can get a mono delay so that's cool.EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:35 pmyep I passed it on, I'll check in and make sure it hasn't been forgotten. Cheers.mjudge55 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:06 pmHey there, just checking back on this, hoping a fix for the delay is on TAL's list -- thanks.EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:35 pmYeah I agree, it sounds quite odd, even just engaging the delay seems to make the dry signal sound different and there is no setting that gives a totally mono delay. Thanks for that I'll have a chat with Patrick about it, afaik nothing was changed in the fx section recently!mjudge55 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 3:35 pm I'm noticing with TAL Sampler's Delay effect there seems to be something odd going on, or maybe I'm misunderstanding it. From the default patch, with spread at zero and offset at .50, I'm still getting a stereo delay, the left side more prominent, as if there's still an offset. Maybe a bug?
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- KVRian
- 989 posts since 13 Feb, 2013
Here are a few ideas. I'm not sure if it's read here? A short confirmation would be lovely.
In 4.4.2: Loop Start, End & especially Mod-Matrix Amount knobs have a very slim coloured circle. It's a bit hard to read/see. I like that circles of larger knob are a bit slimmer in 4.2.2. But for the smaller knobs it's a bit much reduction.
The looped section (waveform) in main view is not easy to see. I'm using the default theme. I suggest to either make the vertical line more visible or use a stronger contrast for the waveform to clarify the sections (start/end/loop)
In general, I like to see improvements and gui problems being addressed. But at some point it should be stable or only be extended. It feels like the TAL sampler gui is redesigned in every release.
Like other people in this thread mentioned. The Fade knob in the main gui is missing. It was availbile in the past. If you are trying to find loops, this is a very important parameter to optimize.
What about to put Env1 (volume) and Env2 (filter) in one tab? When you separate them, you have to make quite a few more mouse clicks. What about having 4 Envs in total and use two per page? This would not break the tabbed interface idea.
What about log/lin/exp attack & release curves for Envs?
I like the idea to rename Env1 and Env2 to their purpose viewtopic.php?p=8519141#p8519141.
In 4.4.2: Loop Start, End & especially Mod-Matrix Amount knobs have a very slim coloured circle. It's a bit hard to read/see. I like that circles of larger knob are a bit slimmer in 4.2.2. But for the smaller knobs it's a bit much reduction.
The looped section (waveform) in main view is not easy to see. I'm using the default theme. I suggest to either make the vertical line more visible or use a stronger contrast for the waveform to clarify the sections (start/end/loop)
In general, I like to see improvements and gui problems being addressed. But at some point it should be stable or only be extended. It feels like the TAL sampler gui is redesigned in every release.
Like other people in this thread mentioned. The Fade knob in the main gui is missing. It was availbile in the past. If you are trying to find loops, this is a very important parameter to optimize.
What about to put Env1 (volume) and Env2 (filter) in one tab? When you separate them, you have to make quite a few more mouse clicks. What about having 4 Envs in total and use two per page? This would not break the tabbed interface idea.
What about log/lin/exp attack & release curves for Envs?
I like the idea to rename Env1 and Env2 to their purpose viewtopic.php?p=8519141#p8519141.
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- KVRian
- 989 posts since 13 Feb, 2013
Changing presets via left/right button at the top is limited to the current folder. What about to remove this restriction and make it work over folder borders?EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:44 pmI'm happy with it now I'm used to it and I agree that it's easier to use if you have a lot of folders, I've made 8 packs for TAL Sampler now I think so having those plus some personal stuff and a few in progress projects does get a bit messy with the dropdown menu. With the new browser I just have a set of colour-coded favourites, nice and easy.seangm wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:10 am Just my 2c but I like the new preset menu better than the dropdown menu. If you had presets sub folders within a folder I found it hard to navigate to the preset in the sub folders with the drop down, the menu would just close half the time. So one vote for the new preset menu, maybe have both types of menus like Arturia?
afaik the new browser design is here to stay and there are no plans to re-instate the dropdown, even as an option. The framework and tools used to generate the UI evolve and change and some features are deprecated at times so there are some constraints to what is possible or even just efficient to code.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, it's appreciated
That enables changing presets without the browser open.
But the workflow while the browser is open is also improved. You no longer have to constantly switch between folders in the browser if you just want browse through all the presets.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 198 posts since 6 Sep, 2016 from Otago, New Zealand
Patrick at TAL doesn't have much time to check in here so I do it instead and pass on anything that needs to be passed on via email. It's useful to post here for the sake of discussion with other TAL owners but if you want to make suggestions, report bugs or discuss directly with Patrick it's better to email him.midi_transmission wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:24 pm Here are a few ideas. I'm not sure if it's read here? A short confirmation would be lovely.
In 4.4.2: Loop Start, End & especially Mod-Matrix Amount knobs have a very slim coloured circle. It's a bit hard to read/see. I like that circles of larger knob are a bit slimmer in 4.2.2. But for the smaller knobs it's a bit much reduction.
The looped section (waveform) in main view is not easy to see. I'm using the default theme. I suggest to either make the vertical line more visible or use a stronger contrast for the waveform to clarify the sections (start/end/loop)
In general, I like to see improvements and gui problems being addressed. But at some point it should be stable or only be extended. It feels like the TAL sampler gui is redesigned in every release.
Like other people in this thread mentioned. The Fade knob in the main gui is missing. It was availbile in the past. If you are trying to find loops, this is a very important parameter to optimize.
What about to put Env1 (volume) and Env2 (filter) in one tab? When you separate them, you have to make quite a few more mouse clicks. What about having 4 Envs in total and use two per page? This would not break the tabbed interface idea.
What about log/lin/exp attack & release curves for Envs?
I like the idea to rename Env1 and Env2 to their purpose viewtopic.php?p=8519141#p8519141.
Patrick improved the waveform visibility fairly recently, current version is 4.5.2 There's only been one more major layout change since the big v4 update and that was in response to user feedback, as have been the minor changes since.
I totally agree, the fade in the main page was a useful time-saver, I have passed that on as well as suggesting the two envelopes could share a tab. 4 envelopes would be good. I've also requested (as have others) a tabbed layour for the mod matrix AND more slots, I regularly run out. Patrick agreed but I'm not sure when/if this will be implemented.
I think this would affect people who are making folders of presets for live performance as a few people have mentioned here, having it suddenly step out of the folder you set up would be a problem. We could have it as an option though so people can have the behaviour they want. Personally I quite like having folders to organise various "banks" and have it stay within the current bank.midi_transmission wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:33 pm Changing presets via left/right button at the top is limited to the current folder. What about to remove this restriction and make it work over folder borders?
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- KVRian
- 989 posts since 13 Feb, 2013
Thanks EmptyVessel
Regarding the waveform in 4.5.2, it's not about the rendering but about the colors.
Could you have a look again at this setting:
- use the default theme
- load a sample
- set start/end
- enable loop and set loop start/end
The loop is super difficult to see because of the low difference in shade between start/end and lool start/end.
In the editor it's ok, but you have clear visible vertical lines. These lines are missing in the main view. I almost never use the editor and do most of the tweaking in the main view.
Regarding the waveform in 4.5.2, it's not about the rendering but about the colors.
Could you have a look again at this setting:
- use the default theme
- load a sample
- set start/end
- enable loop and set loop start/end
The loop is super difficult to see because of the low difference in shade between start/end and lool start/end.
In the editor it's ok, but you have clear visible vertical lines. These lines are missing in the main view. I almost never use the editor and do most of the tweaking in the main view.
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- KVRian
- 989 posts since 13 Feb, 2013
Sure just as an option. Take your factory content. There are many folder with just a few presets in it. That means to scan though all presets you have so many folder changes that's exhausting. And other factory content like Hollowsun use even more folders.EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:48 pmI think this would affect people who are making folders of presets for live performance as a few people have mentioned here, having it suddenly step out of the folder you set up would be a problem. We could have it as an option though so people can have the behaviour they want. Personally I quite like having folders to organise various "banks" and have it stay within the current bank.midi_transmission wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:33 pm Changing presets via left/right button at the top is limited to the current folder. What about to remove this restriction and make it work over folder borders?
I would agree when you had like 5 folders with many presets. But the Tal Sampler presets are more often than not scatted over a lot of folders.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 198 posts since 6 Sep, 2016 from Otago, New Zealand
Yeah fair point, it's why I stopped structuring my packs like that, only I think the first one maybe two (plus the factory content) are like that. It seemed like a good idea at the time from an organisational point of view. The rest of my packs are all in one folder and I've just put the type of the patch as the first 3 letters. I should redo the factory content and get Patrick to update the zip.midi_transmission wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:16 pmSure just as an option. Take your factory content. There are many folder with just a few presets in it. That means to scan though all presets you have so many folder changes that's exhausting. And other factory content like Hollowsun use even more folders.EmptyVessel wrote: ↑Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:48 pmI think this would affect people who are making folders of presets for live performance as a few people have mentioned here, having it suddenly step out of the folder you set up would be a problem. We could have it as an option though so people can have the behaviour they want. Personally I quite like having folders to organise various "banks" and have it stay within the current bank.midi_transmission wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:33 pm Changing presets via left/right button at the top is limited to the current folder. What about to remove this restriction and make it work over folder borders?
I would agree when you had like 5 folders with many presets. But the Tal Sampler presets are more often than not scatted over a lot of folders.
I've seen other plugins that display the same behaviour where they'll keep just rotating within the same folder, go back to the start when you go past the last one - rather than move on to the next folder/patch type. I can totally see use cases for both behaviour so an option makes sense.
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