G.A.S.

[machinesworking]

.... There's a reason we still see about half the industry pushing "analog" plugins.

Well you are factually right, but this "reason" is a mystery to me....

Nostalgia, but also something that doesn't really get mentioned much, digital synths and synthesis are not all "sweet spots", i.e. you can create some real noise there, quickly. So the function of analog or subtractive synthesis that way gets romanticized. I mean I would say with no hesitation that the wavetable synth plugins today for the most part far surpass the hardware from the past, and to a degree it's probably because they're not straight emulations. Personally to me one of the best "analog" soft synths is still Diva, because it's not a 1 to 1 copy of some synth, which almost always falls short.

I wish it would die down, but I also wish that some developer would stop attempting to copy exactly and take the best from various things. The voice modulation section on the Memorymoog is really something else, but why only a ladder filter on Moog emulations? why not throw in all sorts of filters? Why not just pile through and make a super bad ass subtractive modeled loosely after the best features in the Matrix 12, Memorymoog, Jupiter 8 and throw in modern features?

[Jac459]

.... There's a reason we still see about half the industry pushing "analog" plugins.

Well you are factually right, but this "reason" is a mystery to me....

Nostalgia, but also something that doesn't really get mentioned much, digital synths and synthesis are not all "sweet spots", i.e. you can create some real noise there, quickly. So the function of analog or subtractive synthesis that way gets romanticized. I mean I would say with no hesitation that the wavetable synth plugins today for the most part far surpass the hardware from the past, and to a degree it's probably because they're not straight emulations. Personally to me one of the best "analog" soft synths is still Diva, because it's not a 1 to 1 copy of some synth, which almost always falls short.

I wish it would die down, but I also wish that some developer would stop attempting to copy exactly and take the best from various things. The voice modulation section on the Memorymoog is really something else, but why only a ladder filter on Moog emulations? why not throw in all sorts of filters? Why not just pile through and make a super bad ass subtractive modeled loosely after the best features in the Matrix 12, Memorymoog, Jupiter 8 and throw in modern features?

Yeah, well said...

That's why Diva is one of the few synths I regret buying. Not because it isn't good (don't hang me just yet) but because it is not for me. I don't have this nostalgia.
The only synths from the past I like are the OBX and I have Obsession from Synapse....

For your last point on composing the best from legendary old synths, I think it is a very good idea but really for "specialist" of the synths of this era willing to recreate the vibe I guess.

[machinesworking]

Yeah, well said...

That's why Diva is one of the few synths I regret buying. Not because it isn't good (don't hang me just yet) but because it is not for me. I don't have this nostalgia.

I use Diva all the time for bass, bass isn't something that needs a "modern" sound in every song here, analog bass sounds stand the test of time like a hardware snare drum sound does IMO.

The only synths from the past I like are the OBX and I have Obsession from Synapse....

For your last point on composing the best from legendary old synths, I think it is a very good idea but really for "specialist" of the synths of this era willing to recreate the vibe I guess.

Mostly the voice modulation sound in the Memorymoog is fairly unique and great to program, it's not a vintage sound, it's a technique for synthesis, it's like saying all subtractive synthesis and DX7 style FM is out of date and only modern techniques can be used.

I think it's worth mentioning that softsynth emulations are for the most part there, but there is a massive sound to the Moog and Oberheim oscillators on their own, owning the hardware I've A/B'd them with every emulation that came out and the oscillators dry with the filters wide open for the most part you hear a clean thinner sound from the soft synth. So this IMO means in the long run less sweet spots for the emulation, with the obvious acknowledgment that any sound that doesn't require big oscillators hits the mark just fine.

So not only is the industry spending half it's time at least on old hardware emulation, most of the time, it's not the same experience. On topic, driving GAS in the sense of buying multiple Minimoog emulations etc.

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

It is fact, that,back in 80s / 90s there was great songs and musicians was way better than most modern DJ will ever be,BUT...technology is superior these days and with computers you can create and play stuff,impossible in the past ,when real person with his hands craft music.
Don't wanna disappoint hardcore ''Analog'' lovers,but most of these emu's today are just marketing,best case scenario mediocre musical instruments,which target is to empty pockets of old white folks from the west putting some nostalgia in their minds.
I can use synths like Sylenth1+Synth1 and to make more original and useful analog-ish sound than entire overrated galaxy of unbelievably advertised everywhere synths like Diva,Obsession,OBX so on,which to my taste aren't anything special,not bad,but nothing i can seriously use and will pay more that 20-30 euro.
There is a big difference if you look for a toy to play Sunday afternoon and pro synth you gonna use for years in studio for production in different genres.
Analog emulations are just popular toys imho far far away from studio tools - can u show me a popular hit song using such emu...?
Not gonna waste my time with such toys if have timeline to finish a song and need to squeeze superb sound from a synth - in 9 of 10 cases will rely on proven synth like Sylenth1,Massive,Vital,Serum or something else i know will do the job easy,cause many other did great stuff with them already.
Entire analog mania and topic should be re directed to the zone ''how to make my digital sound more dynamic and realistic''
Substractive synthesis is really boringly mediocre and lifelessly flat, if you just turn knobs and save some pach without any understanding of freq spectre dynamics and what you could achieve inside the mix with some magic tricks advanced designers have in their bag and use.
Anyway who am i to fight the system
Cheers

[Uncle E]

Don't wanna disappoint hardcore ''Analog'' lovers,but most of these emu's today are just marketing

It sounds like you wrote this with the express intention of disappointing analog lovers.

These kinds of posts are weird. After 2 ½ decades, we've finally gotten to the point where ITB can absolutely rival OTB, why bring it up NOW? Plus, on KVR no less, a forum dedicated to ITB.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you're not impressed. I'm loving it.

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Don't wanna disappoint hardcore ''Analog'' lovers,but most of these emu's today are just marketing

It sounds like you wrote this with the express intention of disappointing analog lovers.

These kinds of posts are weird. After 2 ½ decades, we've finally gotten to the point where ITB can absolutely rival OTB, why bring it up NOW? Plus, on KVR no less, a forum dedicated to ITB.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you're not impressed. I'm loving it.

I did my best,tested many demos,many times tried to like some of most popular ones and to justify the money i have to spend...maybe i miss the right place where to put them,i don't know,just my point of view is - if can't use a synth or fx in first 5 min demoing it and to have results,it's waste of time and money,that's my process of work and logic...test...buy...use...
Cheers

[vurt]

Don't wanna disappoint hardcore ''Analog'' lovers,but most of these emu's today are just marketing

It sounds like you wrote this with the express intention of disappointing analog lovers.

These kinds of posts are weird. After 2 ½ decades, we've finally gotten to the point where ITB can absolutely rival OTB, why bring it up NOW? Plus, on KVR no less, a forum dedicated to ITB.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you're not impressed. I'm loving it.

ive got to a point, where i dont separate "analog/digital/acoustic...", theyre all just tools.
to eliminate one set of tools or another, based on nothing but a label, is foolish imo.
to dismiss all those great options, seems like a silly thing for someone to do.

[machinesworking]

ive got to a point, where i dont separate "analog/digital/acoustic...", theyre all just tools.
to eliminate one set of tools or another, based on nothing but a label, is foolish imo.
to dismiss all those great options, seems like a silly thing for someone to do.

I loved the philosophy behind early Industrial and Musique concrète. If a pin is dropped in a silent room and recorded, if people buy it and like to listen to it, it's music. We have become so codified that we think thin, weak sounds are "bad". Everyone acts super surprised when someone releases great music on cheap gear, as if luxurious sounds were all that was out there, all that mattered in music. On the orther hand people buy sample packs and soft synths designed to play chiptunes.

The market is flooded with more than adequate gear, software and hardware, at decent prices. So we argue about the "quality" of a synth.

[Uncle E]

I did my best,tested many demos,many times tried to like some of most popular ones and to justify the money i have to spend...maybe i miss the right place where to put them,i don't know,just my point of view is - if can't use a synth or fx in first 5 min demoing it and to have results,it's waste of time and money,that's my process of work and logic...test...buy...use...
Cheers

Sure, you're right, don't buy if it isn't doing it for you. Honestly, if your preferences are Sylenth1, Massive, Vital, and Serum, it's no wonder you're not interested in analog emulations.

Look, I don't like apple juice, I find it sickeningly sweet and have never found one that changes my opinion on it. Should I be calling apple juice a marketing gimmick made for old white people?

[vurt]

Should I be calling apple juice a marketing gimmick made for old white people?

apple juice is a lie!

[Uncle E]

The health benefits certainly are!

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Don't wanna disappoint hardcore ''Analog'' lovers,but most of these emu's today are just marketing

It sounds like you wrote this with the express intention of disappointing analog lovers.

These kinds of posts are weird. After 2 ½ decades, we've finally gotten to the point where ITB can absolutely rival OTB, why bring it up NOW? Plus, on KVR no less, a forum dedicated to ITB.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you're not impressed. I'm loving it.

ive got to a point, where i dont separate "analog/digital/acoustic...", theyre all just tools.
to eliminate one set of tools or another, based on nothing but a label, is foolish imo.
to dismiss all those great options, seems like a silly thing for someone to do.

Kind of missed the point here - are you saying that is wise to buy a digital product,labeled as ''Analog'' because it's analog,but doesn't sound like real analog,just you imagine some digital analog whatever sound ...that's dumiest thing i've ever heard ...:):)
And yes i questioning quality of these pseudo analog toys - made mistake to buy few put them into any kind of mixes and quality is not satisfying...yesterday made few tests again with very popular one,cause i want that quality analog sound/behaviour as part of the mix and ...it was nothing but cheap digital sound ...analog vs digital www3 start again hahaha
Cheers

[vurt]

Don't wanna disappoint hardcore ''Analog'' lovers,but most of these emu's today are just marketing

It sounds like you wrote this with the express intention of disappointing analog lovers.

These kinds of posts are weird. After 2 ½ decades, we've finally gotten to the point where ITB can absolutely rival OTB, why bring it up NOW? Plus, on KVR no less, a forum dedicated to ITB.

Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you're not impressed. I'm loving it.

ive got to a point, where i dont separate "analog/digital/acoustic...", theyre all just tools.
to eliminate one set of tools or another, based on nothing but a label, is foolish imo.
to dismiss all those great options, seems like a silly thing for someone to do.

Kind of missed the point here - are you saying that is wise to buy a digital product,labeled as ''Analog'' because it's analog,but doesn't sound like real analog,just you imagine some digital analog whatever sound ...that's dumiest thing i've ever heard ...:):)

no, thats not what im saying.

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

I did my best,tested many demos,many times tried to like some of most popular ones and to justify the money i have to spend...maybe i miss the right place where to put them,i don't know,just my point of view is - if can't use a synth or fx in first 5 min demoing it and to have results,it's waste of time and money,that's my process of work and logic...test...buy...use...
Cheers

Sure, you're right, don't buy if it isn't doing it for you. Honestly, if your preferences are Sylenth1, Massive, Vital, and Serum, it's no wonder you're not interested in analog emulations.

Look, I don't like apple juice, I find it sickeningly sweet and have never found one that changes my opinion on it. Should I be calling apple juice a marketing gimmick made for old white people?

No you don't,but if somebody sell me an apple juice and label it as grape for 150 euro to me this is at least disappointing ...
I am disappointed and i have opinion based on my experience,that's all.
White folks shouldn't be insult yet,if old was trigger sorry didn't wrote it as something negative...just the fact is that market do anything to survive these days and use any tricks,that's my point...agree or disagree ...it's your opinion
Cheers

[machinesworking]

Sylenth1 is a virtual analog VSTi synthesizer that takes the definitions of quality and performance to a higher level. Until now only very few software synthesizers have been able to stand up to the sound quality standards of hardware synths. Sylenth1 is one that does.