Should I buy a DAW or use AI to make my music?

[BONES]

Ethics of AI trained with copyrighted music aside, you'd be depriving yourself of the joy that comes from the creative process, which in my opinion is the best part. It's the whole "journey not the destination" thing.

I must assume your destination is poorly chosen because, for me, the destination is the only part of it that matters and the only part of it I find satisfying enough that I want to keep doing it.

But the creative process of producing music yourself is so incredibly rewarding

No, it is not. It is tedious and boring.

[jules99]

https://www.suno.ai/

Seems AI is already here to takeover.
This is legit the beginning of AI music takeover. Just like AI began with painters and it was laughable then few years later BOOM AI now makes better art than 99% of human painters

country
https://twitter.com/MONACA_kosaki/statu ... 1366671377
punk rok
https://twitter.com/satsuki_uber/status ... 1964932413
metal
https://twitter.com/Monoli_Asahina/stat ... 0267052284

just search suno ai on twitter for loads of examples seems really popular with japanese right now

That is not talking over. That is sick, not in good way.

Suno's recent upgrades are quite significant. These are almost fully realized songs now, up to two minutes:

Flamenco
https://app.suno.ai/song/e94407e6-a997- ... 16a5f49809

Garage Rock
https://app.suno.ai/song/f416a547-960d- ... cf48b108a3

Indie-folk
https://app.suno.ai/song/9899780b-d260- ... 53b7c3e4f8

Metal
https://app.suno.ai/song/9fd9d9db-c9f3- ... 25e6f46764

Classical
https://app.suno.ai/song/19d21a0e-be85- ... ce9e0293be

Synthwave
https://app.suno.ai/song/9ecc9453-8a86- ... cc289b7041

So yeah, maybe don't buy a DAW.

[BONES]

This stuff, from udio, is insane. Listen to the vocals, they are incredible for what it is -

Echoes of Defiance

Machine's Lament

They are on my OneDrive, so you'll have to click on the links to listen. Soundcloud still won't let me upload anything so this is the best I can manage. It's definitely worth it, though, the advances in the last year or so our way beyond anything you'd imagine.

[mabian]

The main question is "why are you creating music"?

For money / business? Then consider AI for sure (but don't expect you won't have to tweak the results...)
For fun / creative expression of yourself? Hmmm then maybe AI is not the answer...
For exploration/curiosity? Use both

- Mario

[N__K]

In fueling human activity, ML/AI is perhaps in some ways comparable to amphetamines.

For a few decades in 1900s, those were unregulated and used to enhance productivity - or "productivity", depending on opinion - in everything from war to literature. Especially when paired with other substances, some of which still aren't regulated.

"Pep pills and electromech tools" defined much of the creative and the destructive of the previous century. Everything direct and indirect combined, the consequences included hundreds of millions of deaths, a few billion births, a whole lot of science and even more fiction.

This century is looking to be at least as eventful, as humanity will be adding cyborgification to its main fuels of productivity. ML/AI is shaping up to become the existential fever of 2020s and the next few decades - and we have to get properly sick with it, until we have found all the ways in which it can be weaved into our cultural DNA.

#NoAI, © N__K at KvR Forum.



...and so:

I'be ben tinking about becoming an music producer for years now but I never did much other ten using FL studio and making some beats, they werent that good and I cant sing too good neither so I tohught maybe instead of trying to learn all dis hard stuff I could just use some AI and get pretty good at being a music producer on youtube and stuff, build my profile an start producing for some people. The AI tools look alot easier [...]

ML/AI is the stuff of the times. Go ahead with it - especially if you're interested in music as means to an end, more than end in itself. From that perspective, sequencers/DAWs as we knew them from 1980s to 2020s are becoming shovels in the era of excavators.

That said, if you never learn to use a shovel - even just a little, to grasp what can be done with it - you'll miss some dimensions of the what, the how, and the why. Whether that'll matter in your life, who knows. But one thing is sure: if you limit yourself to shovels and never come to terms with excavators, your chances in life from 2020s onwards will be lesser.

[harryupbabble]

you should used anything to make music:

daws
ai
kitchen pots
cannabis
people
camouflaged plagiary
nature
math
randomization
temporary discarded noodlings
fruity loops

anything really
no limits

[BONES]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U57R_icuOg

[30pinsimms]

get a radio, all kinds of free tunes are generated.

[UltraPortamento]

Actually, for making money, AI music's lack of ability to be copywritten might be a problem.

[seafire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U57R_icuOg

Jesus...

[seismic1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U57R_icuOg

Jesus...

Personal?

[hotmitts]

I've been thinking of becoming a brain surgeon,

Should I buy a rusty saw from the hardware shop and watch some Youtube video's, then I'll be all set ?

[Milkman]

Just use "AI", you arent a real musician. You are a mark.

[harddaysnight]

I experimented with SunoAI, creating things along the lines of what I already created.

I'm impressed with what it did, there are some issues with the sound choices - kicks are weak, some background noises especially for transitions, are just awful.. but overall, I thought it did really well, and although I have no interest in releasing AI music, because the fun part for me is making the music - I see it being an awesome tool for writing songs with.

Where does it get the melodies from? Some of the melodies it comes up with are really cool and usable, and I'd love to basically riff off it, use it to get inspired by, and write and record my own song, using SunoAI as a tool.

I think that could be a decent use for it - I also think besides the kick being weak and some odd sound choices, it's not a terrible reference point. It covered everything across the full spectrum range and some of the tones it had were genuinely great and what I'd want in songs of that style.

So it could be a useful alternative tool for checking mixes with too. Didn't hate it as much as I thought I would.

The positives end with instrumentals. I think it absolutely sucks for vocals, but I'm a singer/songwriter type so I'd have zero interest in AI vocals on my songs because I'd much rather sing them myself. I also thought the lyrics it generates sucks too.

[Jac459]

I experimented with SunoAI, creating things along the lines of what I already created.

I'm impressed with what it did, there are some issues with the sound choices - kicks are weak, some background noises especially for transitions, are just awful.. but overall, I thought it did really well, and although I have no interest in releasing AI music, because the fun part for me is making the music - I see it being an awesome tool for writing songs with.

Where does it get the melodies from? Some of the melodies it comes up with are really cool and usable, and I'd love to basically riff off it, use it to get inspired by, and write and record my own song, using SunoAI as a tool.

I think that could be a decent use for it - I also think besides the kick being weak and some odd sound choices, it's not a terrible reference point. It covered everything across the full spectrum range and some of the tones it had were genuinely great and what I'd want in songs of that style.

So it could be a useful alternative tool for checking mixes with too. Didn't hate it as much as I thought I would.

The positives end with instrumentals. I think it absolutely sucks for vocals, but I'm a singer/songwriter type so I'd have zero interest in AI vocals on my songs because I'd much rather sing them myself. I also thought the lyrics it generates sucks too.

Interesting point of view, thanks for sharing