Live 12 or Bitwig 5.1

[machinesworking]

Bitwig doesn't have one. Nor does FL Studio. No other DAW has one and IMO that's completely absurd.

Digital Performer for one, has had a built in Looper since 2001 or earlier.

Never heard of it, but with a name like that, I would hope it did have one.

Yeah on this forum it doesn't really exist, I'm the only one that mentions it. Used to be Mac only until a half dozen years ago, and occasionally a Windows user experiences a crippling bug (mostly due to VSTs like usual) and rants like it's useless to everyone. It's still used for large arena shows doing backing tracks and in the film industry mostly.
It has a built in way to do live music with linear backing tracks by having projects within projects. Useful for practicing to have separate linear timelines for each song, etc.

Live has one downfall that way, you can only load in one Set at a time, so I would use Session Clips to play back drums etc, and empty clips with patch change type stuff for guitar or keyboard etc.

This VS DP which does whole Sets within Sets and Bitwig which can load as many sets as your computer can handle.

Honestly though this is a bone of contention for me with all three, and Mainstage. My setup back in the day was Live with NI Kore and Guitar Rig. So clips, guitar with multiple patch changes per clip, controller keyboard with Kore switching mid song between VSTi's even split keyboards with different sounds on each and of course songs done completely with a Launchpad and clips etc. Kore bit the dust and not one of the live performance oriented DAWs stepped up.

I suppose I can replicate this setup with Live, Bitwig or DP really and something like Unify, but I'm still in disbelief that the idea of quickly changing setups that I did with Clips and Kore isn't something built in to Live or Bitwigs FX and instruments? It seems so basic, but like you pointed out there aren't many loopers in DAWs either.

[dartfordyes]

Please talk me in our out of one if these.

Long story long, I use Pro Tools as a 'tape recorder' and everything always ends up in Pro Tools and that won't change. I however like to use different software for sketching ideas. I basically have everything from Cubase to Ableton to Logic to whatever. I have Ableton Lite which has been perfectly enough for what I need it for and have been using it as a sort of notebook for quick ideas. I record a lot of HW synths and so seamless integration is key. I have recently demoed Bitwig again (did it a couple of years ago and left it there) and my first impression was that it wasn't as intuitive and fast as Live (for creating melodies, putting BEATSSSS together etc), however, there is something about it that makes it very appealing. First of all the way I can integrate hardware and modulate it is absolutely amazing. I hate to say this, and 100% placebo, but it sounds better? I read opinions before stating that Bitwig is much 'tighter' than Live, especially with HW, and this has been my impression too, so this can kinda make it sound 'better' in a way. Live is quite laggy when sending midi out to external hardware, to me at least. But boy I love the new midi features in the new Live version. So muuuuch faster than Betwig. Also the interface of Ableton looks cleaner. There is, however, something inviting about Bitweg.

Anyway, I want to buy into one of these babies as there are good sales going on both sides atm. My fingers are burning to press BUY NOW. Don't expect people to decide on behalf of me. Just to wash my brain and influence me. Betweg or Abelton that is the question

i think bitwig looks much cleaner ,

[wobblewobble]

Live 12 hands down.

[SmajjL]