Luxury! I remember programming a drum synth on the CPC 464, whose Z80 processor ran at 4MHz and the thing had a whopping 64K or memory. It was a massive upgrade from the ZX81 we had before that. That thing had 1K of RAM. You kids don't know you've been born.donkey tugger wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:52 pm200? 200?????!!! We used to dream about those speeds in my day with our 486 DX2/66 and the like, grumble, grumble.osiris wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:32 pm Intel page says 24 cores - # of Performance-cores 8. # of Efficient-cores 16. Majority of reviews talk about the increase in electricity used. (vs AMD and even the new i7.)
I have to laugh. My first PC had 200 MHz AMD-K6™ MMX™ Enhanced Processor and a 1 gig hard drive.
New Intel chip has 20 Cores - 6GHz clockspeed
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- KVRAF
- 2376 posts since 17 Apr, 2004
Voted KVR's resident drunk Robert Smith impersonator (thanks Frantz!)
https://open.spotify.com/artist/2myYesRBRgQB3LkZzEYdt5 | https://soundcloud.com/steevm/
https://open.spotify.com/artist/2myYesRBRgQB3LkZzEYdt5 | https://soundcloud.com/steevm/
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10696 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
I don't remember the Memory but pretty sure it was double digits. And, a whopping 1 Gb hard drive. (I could store 10 whole wave files)
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- Pick Me Pick me!
- 9694 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion
Oh yeah I had a similar setup it seems at that time. Back when we had to deal with config.sys and the autoexec.bat files to setup the soundcard and other devices. The bubble CRTs. The plastic speakers. spreadsheet music. I don't miss that at all haha
That said it was like discovering a new world, at the time.
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- KVRAF
- 6434 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
The way discussion went I think this fits 
Monty Python - we were so poor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdlkunflRs
14th generation and just more E-cores seems pointless with more half speed threads in whatever you run.
I turned off my E-cores on i7-12700F and no dancing up and down in frequency anymore.
- 4.5 GHz constantly 8 P-cores with HT
Monty Python - we were so poor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAdlkunflRs
14th generation and just more E-cores seems pointless with more half speed threads in whatever you run.
I turned off my E-cores on i7-12700F and no dancing up and down in frequency anymore.
- 4.5 GHz constantly 8 P-cores with HT
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- KVRian
- 942 posts since 21 Aug, 2017 from Brasil
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10696 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
What a great chart. Found out RXC plugin is the Reaper Compressor via GS. I'm guessing the numbers on the left is the set Latency?
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- KVRian
- 942 posts since 21 Aug, 2017 from Brasil
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- KVRAF
- 6434 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
I checked out the i7-11700K which have no E-cores, and i7-12700K with 4 E-cores at cpubenchmark.net.
What helps with performance I think is cache sizes
- 11700 Cache Size: L1: 320 KB, L2: 2.0 MB, L3: 16 MB
- 12700 Cache Size: L1: 1024 KB, L2: 12.0 MB, L3: 25 MB
- 13700 Cache Size: L1: 1408 KB, L2: 24.0 MB, L3: 30 MB
K-series run at 3.6 GHz and turbo 5 GHz or so.
- my non-K is 2.1 GHz and turbo 4.5 GHz my own real life case then
With 4 E-cores and turn off it does not matter that much.
I tested my i7-12700F with their benchmark and with E-cores 31000 rating, without 29000.
- nothing you will notice in real life IMO
With 13th series it will cost you more turning them off like I did.
When we get E-cores aware software we will probably use them more efficiently and not mix randomly full and half speed threads in a process.
- But will they adapt to Intel or Amd chips one wonders?
- mark software "Intel E-core aware"?
Typical project in Sonar for me is 80 threads spread on 20 or 16 cores(without E-cores). I looked in Process Lasso and saw E-cores were used just like any other as allocated. My biggest project used 13-14 cores only anyway, but if E-cores there they were part of allocation so 8-10 on P-cores.
- I see more chance of issues than benefits TBH with E-cores
When I was troubleshooting audio engine on Cubase Pro 9.5 I saw that 7 threads were restarted as there were dropouts.
- what happends if some of these just get half speed threads?
- maybe why Steinberg warned about these 12th and up generation cpu's
What helps with performance I think is cache sizes
- 11700 Cache Size: L1: 320 KB, L2: 2.0 MB, L3: 16 MB
- 12700 Cache Size: L1: 1024 KB, L2: 12.0 MB, L3: 25 MB
- 13700 Cache Size: L1: 1408 KB, L2: 24.0 MB, L3: 30 MB
K-series run at 3.6 GHz and turbo 5 GHz or so.
- my non-K is 2.1 GHz and turbo 4.5 GHz my own real life case then
With 4 E-cores and turn off it does not matter that much.
I tested my i7-12700F with their benchmark and with E-cores 31000 rating, without 29000.
- nothing you will notice in real life IMO
With 13th series it will cost you more turning them off like I did.
When we get E-cores aware software we will probably use them more efficiently and not mix randomly full and half speed threads in a process.
- But will they adapt to Intel or Amd chips one wonders?
- mark software "Intel E-core aware"?
Typical project in Sonar for me is 80 threads spread on 20 or 16 cores(without E-cores). I looked in Process Lasso and saw E-cores were used just like any other as allocated. My biggest project used 13-14 cores only anyway, but if E-cores there they were part of allocation so 8-10 on P-cores.
- I see more chance of issues than benefits TBH with E-cores
When I was troubleshooting audio engine on Cubase Pro 9.5 I saw that 7 threads were restarted as there were dropouts.
- what happends if some of these just get half speed threads?
- maybe why Steinberg warned about these 12th and up generation cpu's
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- KVRer
- 28 posts since 27 Jun, 2020
[quote=Danno post_id=8767662 time=1697566111 user_id=10281
Some patches in Ashlight/Straylight almost pin a single core if playing a chord. (8700k running around 4.3ghz I think)
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Had a 8086 at 4 6 and I had a good improvement of 40- 50% when moved to an Ryzen 7700x. My old CPu run on the edge with my projects, not run into any issue with perfomance after the move a year ago.
A modern CPU from Intel or AMD gives a big boost, also because they have more cacheand not only frequency.
Today I would go for an Ryzen 7800X3D, as my worload is Audio Processung and Gaming. For Video, Encode and compile the Intel *700 are better.
The P/E core concept ist the future, and the OSes get better over time to handle the threads properly. But would not made that move now to such CPU unless I my workload is compile or encode.
Some patches in Ashlight/Straylight almost pin a single core if playing a chord. (8700k running around 4.3ghz I think)
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Had a 8086 at 4 6 and I had a good improvement of 40- 50% when moved to an Ryzen 7700x. My old CPu run on the edge with my projects, not run into any issue with perfomance after the move a year ago.
A modern CPU from Intel or AMD gives a big boost, also because they have more cacheand not only frequency.
Today I would go for an Ryzen 7800X3D, as my worload is Audio Processung and Gaming. For Video, Encode and compile the Intel *700 are better.
The P/E core concept ist the future, and the OSes get better over time to handle the threads properly. But would not made that move now to such CPU unless I my workload is compile or encode.
