KVR Audio

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:51 pm

Well, I didn't mean for my comment to start something here. I just prefer 32bit for the same reason that the other posts just above have noted. Also 64bit has not done anything to produce better music than 32bit. Most talk about the need for more RAM that 64bit has but I don't need it, if I did I would just patch my kernel to allow as much RAM as 64bit but I mostly use laptops so don't have the physical space for more. I also have many programs other than audio that are 32bit only, no longer available & will never see 64bit development. I also have Cakewalk Project5, best DAW for MIDI workflow...It is discontinued. Still today better workflow than anything else tested today plus low CPU & great plugin scanning as well as stable. I also laugh at technology...I have 6 laptops, all used & some like new condition. Get them on craigslist any day for 50-100 bucks...some of these were thousands of dollars new. So for 100 bucks or less I have a new workstation. I know of bridging & have carefully listened to many forum posts on the subject but those bridging always seem to have problems whilst those who don't never seem to post, that is because there are NO problems. Thanks to all---

uncadave · Post by **uncadave** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:50 pm

My 2 cents on 32 vs 64 bit daws and plugs. I have both 32 and 64 bit Orion on my Machine. I have 64bit and 32 bit vst folders and paths set up so each only sees their own. I have a lot more 32bit plugs because a lot of freebies only come that way. I generally use the 32bit Orion. Since they save song files to the same file folder, I have to have 32 or 64 in the title to keep track myself. Presets are shared, too, but I haven't noticed a problem. Truthfully, I always use the 32 bit system. I didn't notice a real reason to use the 64 bit over the 32 bit. So I'm wasting a bit of disk space but disk space hasn't been that much of a problem because they make drives so huge now days. I remember my first behemoth was 40 gb disk drive, 2 gh intel pentium 4 and I thought it was a friggin rocket....and it was, then!

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:18 pm

HAHA...Yes! Well that old 40 GB Intel Pentium 4 would still be good with soft from similar years...Tighter coding back then cause it HAD TO BE. Orion would still be good on it...It is a tightly coded app W/low CPU, Great plug scanning & stable. Like a tracker, in fact has many workflow similarities to trackers.
Speaking of trackers I have recently gotten into them, Using Buzz, Aodix & Aero Studio talk about cutting out the BS & getting down to making music...trackers really rule. They each have their quirks though.
For those who think no music was made before 64bit I suggest going to-

http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_genres

or

http://www.buzztunes.org/

The first contains alot of tunes done in trackers, many in the 90's with Fasttracker II & others. Sure there are pops, clicks & abrupt endings but musically there are brilliant tunes in there! I really love the jazz-fusion-funk stuff there.
Buzztunes is more modern but still alot of the old but all music made in Jeskola Buzz.
Point being that I find better music then & with free trackers than I find with someone who spent a buttload on ableton, omnisphere, etc because it 'enhanced their creativity'...From most of what I have heard it didn't take.

uncadave · Post by **uncadave** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:55 pm

Iconoklast! Amen, brother...I still have that machine. Just stole the Audigy external sound card from it, which I had disassembled to make internal...and am using it on my LAST old xp machine as a jukebox in my garage! I do intend to get the old lady going again because I really had got it to be a rock solid machine. Couldn't load up as much stuff as I do now, but 2 or 3 instances of Vanguard, an instance of Slayer 2 and then Orion drum machine?? good to go! SO i'll have it in my barn where my woodshop is and sit down and cut in a jam once in a while....life is good!

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:18 pm

That setup ought to give you great service uncadave...Yes, I think back then it was a godsend to many that DAWs started featuring track bouncing & freezing to free up CPU. A person watches their loads you can do it. Shoot, the laptop I am on right now is a Toshiba Satellite A85, 11 years old from new, I bought used it in 2007, 1.6 GHZ Celeron 4 with the max RAM that is 1.25 GB. It is the oldest so I use it for internet use but I occasionally whip out a tune or jingle with it. In fact I made a test tune in Aero Studio about a year ago & posted it on soundcloud-

https://soundcloud.com/waxing-and-waning/apache-swagger

Aero Studio has NO HELP or MANUAL so I have had to figure out alot from scratch. That tune was my first & was 5 tracks with just a comp on one channel & FX VST on one of the others with no real mix automation at all. I plan on redoing it now I have learned a bit about the DAW.
Point is I made that tune in THIS old laptop running 5 VSTi & 2 VST & still using about half the CPU that it takes to run Firefox with 4-6 tabs open.

uncadave · Post by **uncadave** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:50 pm

Nice tune...a little off the beaten path!!

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 6:46 pm

Thanks uncadave...Yeah it's a bit of jazz-rock or acid jazz maybe. I love triplets & maj7 - maj9 chords. Could'nt figure out how to extend the sequencer so I could make a longer tune so I had to reset loop points in realtime as I was rendering just for that short tune, then a couple months ago I was playing with Aero Studio & just happened to push the 'right arrow' in the sequencer & wallah...you can make the sequencer as long as you need. Well, I felt stupid.
You got any tunes in cyberspace uncadave?

uncadave · Post by **uncadave** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:47 pm

Just one on Soundcloud, Not my best effort and not really finished....

https://soundcloud.com/uncadave/watch-your-back

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:08 pm

Uncadave, well if it is a start it is a nice one. I like the track especially the midsector. Much more dynamic than my track for sure. What is that...ambient drum-n-bass? What DAW you using?
Don't know if you know of this one but do you have the Exposure library from Artvera?

http://www.artvera-music.com/

Free kontakt library...one of the best atmo-pad libraries too. Everything Vera Kinter does is tops. Also grab the free version of Art Pyrite too then come back to KVRs listing for it & grab the presets...there are quite a few for the free version. I plan on buying the full version once 'out of the slump'.
I keep forgetting that I cannot play tracks on soundcloud anymore but at least I can dl them still. Once I get enough tracks built up I am going to switch to alonetone & upload there. Soundcloud changes too much.

Asuyuka · Post by **Asuyuka** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:49 am

Iconoklast wrote:HAHA...Yes! Well that old 40 GB Intel Pentium 4 would still be good with soft from similar years...Tighter coding back then cause it HAD TO BE. Orion would still be good on it...It is a tightly coded app W/low CPU, Great plug scanning & stable. Like a tracker, in fact has many workflow similarities to trackers.
Speaking of trackers I have recently gotten into them, Using Buzz, Aodix & Aero Studio talk about cutting out the BS & getting down to making music...trackers really rule. They each have their quirks though.
For those who think no music was made before 64bit I suggest going to-

http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_genres

or

http://www.buzztunes.org/

The first contains alot of tunes done in trackers, many in the 90's with Fasttracker II & others. Sure there are pops, clicks & abrupt endings but musically there are brilliant tunes in there! I really love the jazz-fusion-funk stuff there.
Buzztunes is more modern but still alot of the old but all music made in Jeskola Buzz.
Point being that I find better music then & with free trackers than I find with someone who spent a buttload on ableton, omnisphere, etc because it 'enhanced their creativity'...From most of what I have heard it didn't take.

Buzz is how I started my computer music, like over a decade ago! I started with it before FL Studio, and I should really go back and play with it sometime.

Not that I've ever stopped using trackers, mind. I use DefleMask on a pretty regular basis now.

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:16 pm

I have heard of Deflemask before...sort of for chiptune stuff isn't it? There are alot of trackers out there. I think the easiest one to learn is SunVox...simply brilliant GUI with a standard sequencer. Also a machine view with modules that light up when triggered. Very cool to watch the light show when building a tune. Downside is NO VST support...only XI or WAV import & the sampler maps XIs kind of crappy. I presently use Aodix & Aero Studio as they are both piano roll as well as tracker & both use VSTs. Buzz is a great one still & the best support & community. All the ones I have just mentioned have the machine or schematic view for connections...Doesn't get any easier to figure connections. Amazingly Renoise doesn't have that...

Pytchblend · Post by **Pytchblend** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:12 pm

Buzz - is that Buzz Machines? What's the story with them? I've seen 'free' Buzz machines... Can the be used as plugins? what are they? Please elucidate?

Pytchblend · Post by **Pytchblend** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:17 pm

Pytchblend wrote:Buzz - is that Buzz Machines? What's the story with them? I've seen 'free' Buzz machines... Can they be used as plugins? what are they? Please elucidate?

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:13 pm

You're not going to carry on indefinitely completely off-topic like that I hope...

Iconoklast · Post by **Iconoklast** » Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:08 pm

Who carrying on ? What completely off subject items? I could see the argument if we were all talking about the benefits of gay porn & plastic toys as that would be completely off subject. However we are not, in fact it is a fairly close subject to VSTi & VST & DXi & DX...It's the software that RUNS 'EM. Plus we're talking older, rarer stuff & mostly freeware. End of story...

As to the other question 'Buzz Machines' are Generators (VSTi) & Effects (VST) that run natively inside of the Tracker DAW Jeskola Buzz. Buzz is noted for having many hundreds to utilize so much that many other trackers have been made to be able to use buzz machines as well like Psycle, Buze & others.

I must note that Buzz has excellent plugin scanning along the lines of Renoise. Wish they were all that way.

Old Free VSTi Gems From The Past