Your next guitar?
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- KVRAF
- 16399 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
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- KVRAF
- 2022 posts since 15 Aug, 2012 from Australia
I'd have to use somebody elses fingers...mine are made from muddUncle E wrote:...or finger pick!
I'm tired of being insane. I'm going outsane for some fresh air.
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- KVRAF
- 3057 posts since 4 Jan, 2005
I got new tires today .... Yay ... Tommorow I get to find out and pay for whatever else needs fixing ... But you know what's nice 95,000 miles on this paid for 2005 , it's been paid off since at least 2007 (10years).. So while I was there me and the wife looked at some of the new cars on the lot .. she got a new one 2 years ago ... So, I get home this evening and I told her the only bell and whistle on a new car that'd get me excited is if it came with a Martin Guitar in the back seat. Hahahahahaaaa ... Having a paid for car for 12 years saves money on insurance , tag , plus not having a payment . I'm so getting a guitar or 2 in September ...
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- Banned
- 5357 posts since 7 May, 2015
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- KVRAF
- 2022 posts since 15 Aug, 2012 from Australia
I have a selection of stone, nylon, copper and silver picks. There's a wooden one but I've forgotten what timber (timbre) it is.
I should make a brass one and see what that does.
I should make a brass one and see what that does.
I'm tired of being insane. I'm going outsane for some fresh air.
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- KVRAF
- 3057 posts since 4 Jan, 2005
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessor ... itar-picks these are my favorite . The orange ones ... They got a turtle on em too ...
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- Banned
- 5357 posts since 7 May, 2015
You snuck that in, my e gads was to that uber pick.fedexnman wrote:I got new tires today .... Yay ... Tommorow I get to find out and pay for whatever else needs fixing ... But you know what's nice 95,000 miles on this paid for 2005 , it's been paid off since at least 2007 (10years).. So while I was there me and the wife looked at some of the new cars on the lot .. she got a new one 2 years ago ... So, I get home this evening and I told her the only bell and whistle on a new car that'd get me excited is if it came with a Martin Guitar in the back seat. Hahahahahaaaa ... Having a paid for car for 12 years saves money on insurance , tag , plus not having a payment . I'm so getting a guitar or 2 in September ...
Dude, that sounds nice, we'll need pics, of course.
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- KVRAF
- 16399 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
I picked up fingerpicking from Mark Knofler, he plays downstrokes with his thumb and upstrokes with his middle finger. Victor Wooten plays triplets by playing down-up with his thumb and then plucks with his middle finger. When I used to play flamenco, I played rasgueado pinky down, index finger down, and thumb up, and that translates surprisingly well to electric.
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- KVRAF
- 3057 posts since 4 Jan, 2005
Lol , yeah I'm aiming for mid September definitely gonna get some pictures up . Joking about the Martin ... Still thinking PRS SE CE24 and Guild D20 Hog acoustic , hate those cream button tuners though , I'll be changing those suckers out lol. . I'm glad I like Hog over Spruce/Rosewood it's easy on the wallet ... Martin has a D15M streetmaster as well as an OOO15M streetmaster that looks kinda tasty but gimmicky ... I think I'm sold on the Guild still . Guild D20 Made in USA too ... I used to own a 73 D25CH Guild that was awesome except needing a neck reset , blood red crimson color arched back . ...Tom Petty , Ryan Adams play em ... Hate I sold it sometimes but found out it's original owner ended up with it , nice story ... That D20 has got me .
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- KVRAF
- 16399 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
A friend of mine is selling his Martin for around $400. He's not really a player so it's like new. Do you want me to post pictures?
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- KVRAF
- 2022 posts since 15 Aug, 2012 from Australia
I do something different with my middle finger when I'm not busy sucking my thumb...Uncle E wrote:I picked up fingerpicking from Mark Knofler, he plays downstrokes with his thumb and upstrokes with his middle finger. Victor Wooten plays triplets by playing down-up with his thumb and then plucks with his middle finger. When I used to play flamenco, I played rasgueado pinky down, index finger down, and thumb up, and that translates surprisingly well to electric.
I'm tired of being insane. I'm going outsane for some fresh air.
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- KVRAF
- 16399 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Careful, that's a sure fire way to get E. coli!
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- KVRAF
- 3057 posts since 4 Jan, 2005
And model # thanks .... definitely interested.Uncle E wrote:A friend of mine is selling his Martin for around $400. He's not really a player so it's like new. Do you want me to post pictures?
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- KVRAF
- 6804 posts since 20 Jan, 2008
Before I delve into finger picking....
The only "new" technique I can say I've mastered in the last ten years has to do with speed picking.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xYcl ... uMV76lb_vQ
While I'd dabbled in the same and similar ideas for decades Troy Grady made my picking a million times faster more accurate and better articulated. In short if you want to play fast accurately timed single note lines a flatpick is the only way to go.
Back in the 70's I saw this guy in a guitar store playing hybrid picking country. I was so fascinated with his approach I tried to use it with everything. I was finally able to master many a fingerstyle approach to Stairway to Heaven. I could play both the chordal arrangement and the solo without having to reach for a pick midway through the song. It wasn't a perfect method and many fingerstyle songs were still out of reach but I developed it as far as I could. The biggest problem then as now... I don't have fingernails to save my life. I work in a kitchen wash my hands about 10 to 15 times a night as I'm involved in food prep. Then at the end of the night I go back to the dish tank to help the dishwasher finish up for an hour or so. All that hot water and manual labor adds up. My fingernails chip and split all the time. It also doesn't help with callouses on the fretting hand.
One day I was out of guitar picks and I was tired of trying to make them with match stick boxes or cutting a plastic milk jug. Rather than scratching up some change from the couch I decided I'd try to figure out this whole finger picking thing. The problem was I had the worst teacher in the world... me. I simply adopted from my hybrid picking method. I still have a hard time properly posturing my left hand for a classical approach. My method works for me. Although many a teacher has cringed when hearing me play fingerstyle without nails. It sounds okay unplugged with an electric guitar but not great amplified. Fat flesh of fingertips don't articulate well. As a matter of fact the attack takes more work to produce a signal. It's near impossible to use finger flesh approach on a yamaha easy eg, a yourock or an artiphon Instrument 1. If you have the nails the note rings out loud and clear. If not it barely makes a sound even if you are using a lot of force.
I've tried thumb picks and finger picks for decades now. the one direction standard thumb pick doesn't work for me. What has worked for me is the thicker fred kelly Slick Pick it's a thumb pick that you can play up and down strokes with. I don't like other thumb picks by him as I don't like the tone they have. Granted you really can't do Troy Grady type speed picking with one of these but you can still get around pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG0XgA5sp1s
I don't like Fred Kelly finger picks either. They are too thick around the sides. My fingers don't want to spread that far apart and the plastic edges bump up against each other.
All fingerpicks will pinch. A little or a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2GPbrrN7AM
If you are a flesh picker like me you might want to gravitate to butterfly picks. Mostly because of finger positioning being closer to the string. But and I can't caution enough about these. You are better off making your own. Simply because they are hard to adjust to your finger and the ends can easily dig in.
I tried Ultimate Finger Pick with thick rubber cot material that were way too tight for me I may cut off some of it off so that the rubber sleeve doesn't extend past the knuckle and try them again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUf8AeiMTXM
Overall I use and like Alaska Piks the most.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2hlhMQI8fg&t=29s
I don't put the little cut in it as she does in the video. Most of the time I won't even file them down. Though I have in the past. There are several things I like about Alaska Pik. Mostly you can play both up and down strokes with ease. You can even play alternate picking with a finger using these. I also like how they are customizable. If they don't fit. Put em in hot water... Pull it out and slide it on your finger to adjust the tension. Then drop them into cold water. They will then harden so they fit your finger well. You can do this over and over again. They sound like picks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz-U1Zda1zI&t=113s
Though I would argue about the whole tapping thing. Yes "Some basic tapping" but that's a rough go especially for me who likes to tap on 9 (all four fingers on the left hand as well as all fingers and occassionaly the thumb on the left)
I still use flesh when I want to incorporate tapping which is what I find myself often doing arranging jazz standards for Guitar.
If you want to learn fingerstyle guitar really it boils down to three different methodologies.
Classical (which I can muddle through the simpler stuff but get lost easily after that)
Hybrid (Travis) Seriously this guy gets you going quick... https://youtu.be/yrZ4Na_PehY
And Jazz.
Jazz is actually the easiest to learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grK43Poye1U
I know it's an old video but I think he explains it well. If you watch till the end he swaps out walking bass for upper note motion which is basically the context for jazz chord melody approach. Once you get down walking bass with chord and "walking" melody with chord you can easily arrange standards. After that it's all about how simple or complex you want to make the arrangement. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... azz+guitar Same song everyone has a different arrangement.
Arrangements boil down to personal tastes and skill levels. The right hand is the simple stuff. The left hand is where things get interesting. You don't have to start off trying to emulate Johnny Smith or Ted Greene
The only "new" technique I can say I've mastered in the last ten years has to do with speed picking.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xYcl ... uMV76lb_vQ
While I'd dabbled in the same and similar ideas for decades Troy Grady made my picking a million times faster more accurate and better articulated. In short if you want to play fast accurately timed single note lines a flatpick is the only way to go.
Back in the 70's I saw this guy in a guitar store playing hybrid picking country. I was so fascinated with his approach I tried to use it with everything. I was finally able to master many a fingerstyle approach to Stairway to Heaven. I could play both the chordal arrangement and the solo without having to reach for a pick midway through the song. It wasn't a perfect method and many fingerstyle songs were still out of reach but I developed it as far as I could. The biggest problem then as now... I don't have fingernails to save my life. I work in a kitchen wash my hands about 10 to 15 times a night as I'm involved in food prep. Then at the end of the night I go back to the dish tank to help the dishwasher finish up for an hour or so. All that hot water and manual labor adds up. My fingernails chip and split all the time. It also doesn't help with callouses on the fretting hand.
One day I was out of guitar picks and I was tired of trying to make them with match stick boxes or cutting a plastic milk jug. Rather than scratching up some change from the couch I decided I'd try to figure out this whole finger picking thing. The problem was I had the worst teacher in the world... me. I simply adopted from my hybrid picking method. I still have a hard time properly posturing my left hand for a classical approach. My method works for me. Although many a teacher has cringed when hearing me play fingerstyle without nails. It sounds okay unplugged with an electric guitar but not great amplified. Fat flesh of fingertips don't articulate well. As a matter of fact the attack takes more work to produce a signal. It's near impossible to use finger flesh approach on a yamaha easy eg, a yourock or an artiphon Instrument 1. If you have the nails the note rings out loud and clear. If not it barely makes a sound even if you are using a lot of force.
I've tried thumb picks and finger picks for decades now. the one direction standard thumb pick doesn't work for me. What has worked for me is the thicker fred kelly Slick Pick it's a thumb pick that you can play up and down strokes with. I don't like other thumb picks by him as I don't like the tone they have. Granted you really can't do Troy Grady type speed picking with one of these but you can still get around pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG0XgA5sp1s
I don't like Fred Kelly finger picks either. They are too thick around the sides. My fingers don't want to spread that far apart and the plastic edges bump up against each other.
All fingerpicks will pinch. A little or a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2GPbrrN7AM
If you are a flesh picker like me you might want to gravitate to butterfly picks. Mostly because of finger positioning being closer to the string. But and I can't caution enough about these. You are better off making your own. Simply because they are hard to adjust to your finger and the ends can easily dig in.
I tried Ultimate Finger Pick with thick rubber cot material that were way too tight for me I may cut off some of it off so that the rubber sleeve doesn't extend past the knuckle and try them again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUf8AeiMTXM
Overall I use and like Alaska Piks the most.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2hlhMQI8fg&t=29s
I don't put the little cut in it as she does in the video. Most of the time I won't even file them down. Though I have in the past. There are several things I like about Alaska Pik. Mostly you can play both up and down strokes with ease. You can even play alternate picking with a finger using these. I also like how they are customizable. If they don't fit. Put em in hot water... Pull it out and slide it on your finger to adjust the tension. Then drop them into cold water. They will then harden so they fit your finger well. You can do this over and over again. They sound like picks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz-U1Zda1zI&t=113s
Though I would argue about the whole tapping thing. Yes "Some basic tapping" but that's a rough go especially for me who likes to tap on 9 (all four fingers on the left hand as well as all fingers and occassionaly the thumb on the left)
I still use flesh when I want to incorporate tapping which is what I find myself often doing arranging jazz standards for Guitar.
If you want to learn fingerstyle guitar really it boils down to three different methodologies.
Classical (which I can muddle through the simpler stuff but get lost easily after that)
Hybrid (Travis) Seriously this guy gets you going quick... https://youtu.be/yrZ4Na_PehY
And Jazz.
Jazz is actually the easiest to learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grK43Poye1U
I know it's an old video but I think he explains it well. If you watch till the end he swaps out walking bass for upper note motion which is basically the context for jazz chord melody approach. Once you get down walking bass with chord and "walking" melody with chord you can easily arrange standards. After that it's all about how simple or complex you want to make the arrangement. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... azz+guitar Same song everyone has a different arrangement.
Arrangements boil down to personal tastes and skill levels. The right hand is the simple stuff. The left hand is where things get interesting. You don't have to start off trying to emulate Johnny Smith or Ted Greene
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