Drums for jazz and rock - differences?

[lfm]

Hi

Thinking about complementing Superior Drummer if needed to get typical jazz drumkit or if you just as well can tweak what is there by standard.

The way I think about jazz drums are that they sound more skin, than punch or something like that.

My questions are:

#1. Looking at it - brand and model - this is a typical jazzkit?

How do you go about deciding that?

Are any brands particularly known for good sounding jazzkits?

#2. Is it mostly about tweaking tuning - and not about which drum or brand?

I understand playing styles are very different and how you hit them etc.
And of course they are processed differently depending on style of music.

#3. Is about dimensions and skin top/bottom, coated/clear heads?
Smaller dimension kick drum etc.

What is your opinion on this?

#4. Any of the SDX extensions for SD2 that you can recommend?
Or presets separately or preset bundles with some of the extensions?

Thanks.

[grabme]

Jazz drumkits tend to have more of an open sound, the snare sounds in between snares on/off type sound.You need to be able to hear your drags and all the fine detail on the snare. Toms much brighter and 'happier' sounding. The kick has far less bass end and the ride a nice sweet sizzly tone.

That's my description, not scientific but it's the sound I want to hear.

I've used the Toontrack Jazz pack and it was nice but there is some work to be done to give you a completely convincing jazz sound.

I believe they have a new sound set for Superior but not used it yet but recommend the existing Jazz package as its very usable and makes you play more like a jazz drummer.

[paterpeter]

Check out the Roots SDX (e.g. at audiodeluxe.com for $79 a piece: Sticks and Brushes, Rods, Mallets). It was initially designed to be a Jazz expansion, but it can be used for other genres like rock as well. It has an open, light and warm sound. The only thing that's not so great is that there's only one snare played with rods. But there are several stock snares played with rods, so that's not that much of an issue. If you can't get both, get at least the sticks package.

I also have Custom & Vintage and Metal Foundry. Custom&Vintage is suitable for Jazz as well IMO, although it sounds grittier than Roots. And Metal Foundry is not limited to metal, but can be perfectly used for "normal" rock and meatier pop. IMO the expansions are all quite flexible and not limited to the "obvious" genres.

The stock kid itself isn't that flexible IMO. It pretty much has "its sound", which may or may not suite your needs. But the expansions are pure gold. YMMV of course.

Update: if you happen to have BFD 2 or Eco, there are some great expansions for Jazz, like the Jazz Maple or the JEX kit. The JEX has one of the most interesting kick drums I've ever heard in a drum sampler.

[lfm]

Jazz drumkits tend to have more of an open sound, the snare sounds in between snares on/off type sound.You need to be able to hear your drags and all the fine detail on the snare. Toms much brighter and 'happier' sounding. The kick has far less bass end and the ride a nice sweet sizzly tone.

That's my description, not scientific but it's the sound I want to hear.

I've used the Toontrack Jazz pack and it was nice but there is some work to be done to give you a completely convincing jazz sound.

I believe they have a new sound set for Superior but not used it yet but recommend the existing Jazz package as its very usable and makes you play more like a jazz drummer.

Thanks.

The Jazz you mention, is that for Superior, or EZ Drummer?

I cannot see anywhere listed.

[lfm]

Check out the Roots SDX (e.g. at audiodeluxe.com for $79 a piece: Sticks and Brushes, Rods, Mallets). It was initially designed to be a Jazz expansion, but it can be used for other genres like rock as well. It has an open, light and warm sound. The only thing that's not so great is that there's only one snare played with rods. But there are several stock snares played with rods, so that's not that much of an issue. If you can't get both, get at least the sticks package.

I also have Custom & Vintage and Metal Foundry. Custom&Vintage is suitable for Jazz as well IMO, although it sounds grittier than Roots. And Metal Foundry is not limited to metal, but can be perfectly used for "normal" rock and meatier pop. IMO the expansions are all quite flexible and not limited to the "obvious" genres.

The stock kid itself isn't that flexible IMO. It pretty much has "its sound", which may or may not suite your needs. But the expansions are pure gold. YMMV of course.

Update: if you happen to have BFD 2 or Eco, there are some great expansions for Jazz, like the Jazz Maple or the JEX kit. The JEX has one of the most interesting kick drums I've ever heard in a drum sampler.

Thank you for you input.

Yes, I've been thinking both Roots and Custom/Vintage if I saw the same offer they had around christmas.

But you gave me a really good spot in AudioDeluxe there - nice - already ordered.