KVR Audio

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:25 am

I think I'll just stick with the Windows version if its all the same to you.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:34 am

deastman wrote:
I think I'll just stick with the Windows version if its all the same to you.

Even windows users must choose a soundcard, default devices, asio drivers, vst folder, path to executables, download destinations, Mac super users might
even have to know a thing or two. Same basic drill on any system.

stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:30 pm

There's even a dedicated vintage version :

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:44 pm

Saw the Bitwig vid. Looks like it's going to be pretty cool.

But I'd like more info on the FX and instruments. Hope they bring out another vid for them.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:12 pm

I would hope to be able to choose various colors on
the knobs parameter value indicator. The monolithic orange
would get old with a lot of similar sized plugins
open in one area. Assigning colors would lessen the
deer-in-headlights moments.
Or dinosaur-in-headlights, as the case may be...

sl1914 · Post by **sl1914** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:22 pm

http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/nam ... ced-591902

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:07 pm

glokraw wrote:
deastman wrote:
I think I'll just stick with the Windows version if its all the same to you.
Even windows users must choose a soundcard, default devices, asio drivers, vst folder, path to executables, download destinations, Mac super users might
even have to know a thing or two. Same basic drill on any system.

Thanks glokraw ... I think I've done all that before and then Reaper froze up and the swear words began .

...... I've actually slacked off on my reinstall Ubuntu 6 month ritual . I might have another go at one day .. But ainy nobody got time for that .

kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:06 pm

The Mantra wrote:This is the price I expected.
The price is reasonable considering the general cost of DAWs.

I suspect they are pricing with the future in mind. Once the modular system is added (if the price stays the same) this will be very competitive against Live + M4L.

Live standard ($449 usd) + M4L ($199 usd) = $648
Bitwig 2.0 with modular system included = $399

M4L is the reason I cant switch to Bitwig (yet) but M4L is also the main reason I have crashes in Live .

Lol! I wouldn't say that's a fair comparison thoogh, because Bitwig Studio has instruments.

Tell you what, there's just one thing I miss from Live. Watching the spinning beachball on Mac go round and round. Oh how I used to love to while away lazy afternoons watching my beach ball.

Not seen it once since I started using Bitwig.

kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:11 pm

robojam wrote:
kennyda wrote:The price is 299 euros, ie $399, ie half the price of Live 9 Studio.
That's probably not the best comparison though as it's nearer to Live Standard in terms of features, so it's $399 compared to $449, so $50 cheaper.

I think they're taking a risk with that price in terms of bringing people over from Live, as that's not a significant saving, and it's close to Live users having to buy over rather than upgrade. For existing Live users $399 is $240 more than the current upgrade price of $159. That's going to be a hard sell to those who have put their money into Live.

We'll see though - they may be able to limp through weak initial sales if word of mouth increases them over time.

Why do you say it's nearer to Live? It contains a multisampler, two great synths, an organ and five drum synths. Plus samples etc. That's more or less Live Suite, only without MfL. I never really use MfL much anyway. I mainly used it for the skin editor, as I hate Live's skins, but Bitwig's is really nice and quite easy to see (my eyes are not good).

kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:22 pm

aMUSEd wrote:Does it have automation curves yet?

No, but I don't think you really need them in Bitwig. What it does is cleverly remove a lot of the breakpoints, and draw diagonals for you. In Live you are left with a horrible stepped thing, unless you turn the grid off. Even then it's stepped, you just have more points, which can be a huge pain in itself.

Bitwig Studio sees to automatically turn the gid off, make decisions where to best put some breakpoints, and then turn it back on. I reckon for most people, in most scenarios, it's good enough how it gets done for you. Of course you can add some more to smooth out the odd bit.

Maybe they will add curves eventually though.

warp x · Post by **warp x** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:27 pm

damoog wrote:Umm,dunno,I'm a little bit excited about bitwig but I have lost touch with all the hype

What does it now offer that ableton doesn't?

Cats, apparently

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:30 pm

I must say, it's quite a good price for what you get. All those instruments and a great suite of effects for cheaper than Live Standard. That's about as good as can be reasonably expected.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:42 pm

damoog wrote:Umm,dunno,I'm a little bit excited about bitwig but I have lost touch with all the hype

What does it now offer that ableton doesn't?

better integration between arrangement and clip view (session)
note expression
bounce in place
better midi editing including multiple tracks at once
great looking modulation system
audio clip is a container for multiple bits of audio

kennyda · Post by **kennyda** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:56 pm

pdxindy wrote: audio clip is a container for multiple bits of audio

Yeayy! My number one feature request.

However putting a separate loops player into the arrangement view is pretty megatastic too!

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:01 pm

kennyda wrote: Why do you say it's nearer to Live? It contains a multisampler, two great synths, an organ and five drum synths. Plus samples etc. That's more or less Live Suite, only without MfL. I never really use MfL much anyway. I mainly used it for the skin editor, as I hate Live's skins, but Bitwig's is really nice and quite easy to see (my eyes are not good).

I think Logic has all and the price is $200.

Bitwig price, release date announced