there seems to be no money made in music nowadays.
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AstralExistence AstralExistence https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=265049
- KVRAF
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- 2273 posts since 19 Sep, 2011
which is why im wondering why we still write it. every person is now a musician or artist of some kind in a sea of mediocrity theirs sound cloud. for actual art like graphic work theirs deviant art. every artist wants to be renown and for those that have spent many years honing their craft they remain for the most part obscure.
its a sad reality. but only those who create art for pure enjoyment will continue to create beautiful music that is never heard, or pretty paintings that are left unseen. but those who only want to write and paint because they yearn for escape from an impoverished reality will find that they too quickly f-a-d-e away...
its a sad reality. but only those who create art for pure enjoyment will continue to create beautiful music that is never heard, or pretty paintings that are left unseen. but those who only want to write and paint because they yearn for escape from an impoverished reality will find that they too quickly f-a-d-e away...
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- KVRAF
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- 2273 posts since 19 Sep, 2011
double post.
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- KVRian
- 1391 posts since 28 May, 2008 from Saint Paul, MN
There is exponentially more noise, that much is certain. It is also true to say: there is less opportunity to be heard, or found through the constant barrage of incessant noise (aka "music"). Most people can already acknowledge it is the end of an era. I guess we still create music because it's what we do and we need it for some reason. But the outcome, or end goal, should not be a concern for most. For those who manage to eek out a living, or find some level of success making music, I give my greatest respect; it's damn hard these days!
Making music has almost become as easy as taking photos with your smartphone; therefore, everyone with the slightest interest in it is doing it. Once something becomes that accessible and easy to create, it loses most of its value. I would hate the thought of trying to be a "serious musician" right now. Even local orchestras and true classical musicians are struggling. It's the price of technology I guess
Now, what amazes me is that companies are still selling samples of recorded sounds for hundreds of dollars. Are ppl really still paying hundreds, or even thousands of dollars for samples to support something that makes almost no money? I guess so! I certainly don't do it anymore. I have a hard time paying more than a hundred bucks for anything these days; but maybe I'm missing something
Making music has almost become as easy as taking photos with your smartphone; therefore, everyone with the slightest interest in it is doing it. Once something becomes that accessible and easy to create, it loses most of its value. I would hate the thought of trying to be a "serious musician" right now. Even local orchestras and true classical musicians are struggling. It's the price of technology I guess
Now, what amazes me is that companies are still selling samples of recorded sounds for hundreds of dollars. Are ppl really still paying hundreds, or even thousands of dollars for samples to support something that makes almost no money? I guess so! I certainly don't do it anymore. I have a hard time paying more than a hundred bucks for anything these days; but maybe I'm missing something
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- KVRAF
- 2194 posts since 18 Mar, 2006 from Plymouth, UK
If you're only creating 'art' for money, you should look to just get a 'proper' job. Why should you be different from all those hard working individuals who go to work every day and don't rely on copyright or repeat sales to bring in money as if it was earned ?
If you strongly believe people should give you money, the answer is the same as for everyone else - *YOU* go out there and persuade them. Marketing is something that was (and still is largely) done by record companies and publishers and all we used to hear was "there seems to be no easy way to get signed to a record company nowadays". The answer then was the same - go out and *MAKE IT HAPPEN*.
If you think you can just put your music on a few sites, and have people magically find you and raise you up on that altar, you're living in a dreamworld.
There are millions of people making a living from music or painting or writing etc... They're just not sitting around waiting for the world to come to them.
Pre-Internet, would you just put your music on tapes on a table outside your house and hope you became famous ?
What you call 'noise' is what the rest of the working world would call 'competition'. If you consider this your income, you need to damn well work for it - that doesn't just mean writing pretty tunes.
There is an audience for everyone - for every type of music. YOU have to find it though, or pay someone else to do it for you. Don't rely on being the 'one-in-a-billion' lucky find.
Keep making your music - don't stop. Just find your audience instead of waiting for them to find you.
-- Here ends your motivational speech for the day
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- KVRAF
- 4278 posts since 14 Nov, 2008 from UK
Ever heard of these guys:AstralExistence wrote:which is why im wondering why we still write it. every person is now a musician or artist of some kind in a sea of mediocrity theirs sound cloud. for actual art like graphic work theirs deviant art. every artist wants to be renown and for those that have spent many years honing their craft they remain for the most part obscure.
its a sad reality. but only those who create art for pure enjoyment will continue to create beautiful music that is never heard, or pretty paintings that are left unseen. but those who only want to write and paint because they yearn for escape from an impoverished reality will find that they too quickly f-a-d-e away...
John Robie
Chep Nunez
Chris Barbosa
Aldo Marin
probably not, seemingly unimportant obscure people.
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- KVRAF
- 4278 posts since 14 Nov, 2008 from UK
That is because so many people are doing it that there is more money in selling the tools, also as my mate said who is giving up his full time music career that the shift has gone to people just streaming music now when they want to hear it - rather than buy it.blueman wrote:Now, what amazes me is that companies are still selling samples of recorded sounds for hundreds of dollars. Are ppl really still paying hundreds, or even thousands of dollars for samples to support something that makes almost no money? I guess so! I certainly don't do it anymore. I have a hard time paying more than a hundred bucks for anything these days; but maybe I'm missing something
Personally I still support and buy music new music I like, but it is harder to find now because of 'the noise', and stupid genre titles/labeling in digital download shops.
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- KVRAF
- 11054 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
... you have their permission to breed.koalaboy wrote:
If you're only creating 'art' for money, you should look to just get a 'proper' job. Why should you be different from all those hard working individuals who go to work every day and don't rely on copyright or repeat sales to bring in money as if it was earned ?
If you strongly believe people should give you money, the answer is the same as for everyone else - *YOU* go out there and persuade them. Marketing is something that was (and still is largely) done by record companies and publishers and all we used to hear was "there seems to be no easy way to get signed to a record company nowadays". The answer then was the same - go out and *MAKE IT HAPPEN*.
If you think you can just put your music on a few sites, and have people magically find you and raise you up on that altar, you're living in a dreamworld.
There are millions of people making a living from music or painting or writing etc... They're just not sitting around waiting for the world to come to them.
Pre-Internet, would you just put your music on tapes on a table outside your house and hope you became famous ?
What you call 'noise' is what the rest of the working world would call 'competition'. If you consider this your income, you need to damn well work for it - that doesn't just mean writing pretty tunes.
There is an audience for everyone - for every type of music. YOU have to find it though, or pay someone else to do it for you. Don't rely on being the 'one-in-a-billion' lucky find.
Keep making your music - don't stop. Just find your audience instead of waiting for them to find you.
-- Here ends your motivational speech for the day
I'm not a musician, but I've designed sounds that others use to make music. http://soundcloud.com/obsidiananvil
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- KVRAF
- 2142 posts since 20 Sep, 2013 from Poland
I do it to make women think I'm less old and boring than I actually am. Works great.
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
Look up Banksy and rethink your post and concept of what a true artist is.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
Music is barely worth a penny anymore. You can hear it anywhere for free ( Radio, TVs, even shops, supermarket) and most people will DL the rest ( Young people are not even aware that they are ^p_rating anything ) There are a few *stars* left who need wordlwide promo plans and support from McDonald and medias to make us believe that you can still become a rockstar like in the 70s. Most people probably need more dreaming about star system than actually playing or learning music anyway. And its allright like that.
As or the tools, you dont need to be Djokovic to buy a tennis racket and rent a tennis court for a couple of hours. Music can just be a hobby for most people. As are sports, painting, reading, etc etc.
As or the tools, you dont need to be Djokovic to buy a tennis racket and rent a tennis court for a couple of hours. Music can just be a hobby for most people. As are sports, painting, reading, etc etc.
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
The very obvious answer (which I'm sure you already know) is that not everyone writes music to make money.AstralExistence wrote:which is why im wondering why we still write it.
There are plenty of pieces of music that were created entirely within the evil cash cow of shameless commercial music that are still very beautiful. Cynical generalisation is your worst enemy. It will prevent you from enjoying a lot. I'm guilty of it sometimes too...AstralExistence wrote:every person is now a musician or artist of some kind in a sea of mediocrity theirs sound cloud. for actual art like graphic work theirs deviant art. every artist wants to be renown and for those that have spent many years honing their craft they remain for the most part obscure. its a sad reality. but only those who create art for pure enjoyment will continue to create beautiful music that is never heard, or pretty paintings that are left unseen. but those who only want to write and paint because they yearn for escape from an impoverished reality will find that they too quickly f-a-d-e away...
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- 2645 posts since 21 Jul, 2004
oh come on, of course they are. they just don't care.Lotuzia wrote:( Young people are not even aware that they are ^p_rating anything )
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
Hmmm I should have written "some young people"macmurphy wrote:oh come on, of course they are. they just don't care.Lotuzia wrote:( Young people are not even aware that they are ^p_rating anything )
Well some friends of my children aren't at least : I can certify this because I spoke with them about these *problems*. 12/14 yo kids just do what their friends are doing. Speaking with them can help ( in a few cases admitedly )
Another example, last week, one of the children of my wife gave her a link to what he thought was a legitimate streaming site where she would watch some series she had missed. Turns out it is a site where people just UL their movies etc etc. But they both really thought it was legit.... because you know you did not download the movies ... you just watched them.
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- 33178 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Well, presumably for the same reason that most of the people who didnt make money at it still bothered to do so at that hypothetical point in time where there was money to be made at it.AstralExistence wrote:which is why im wondering why we still write it.
Your question reads like you think people only suddenly started making music with the invention of the record shop.
Yup. Isnt it great? All those people actively engaging their creativity, instead of dully accepting some sort of notion that they have no right to do so.every person is now a musician or artist of some kind in a sea of mediocrity theirs sound cloud. for actual art like graphic work theirs deviant art.
Comments like that only come from someone with an inadequate personal knowledge of artists.every artist wants to be renown
Some do and some dont. Its not a correlation, its a bell-curve.and for those that have spent many years honing their craft they remain for the most part obscure.
why?its a sad reality.
Im sure this is probably intended to be profound, but its actually quite nonsensical, and, seems based on a pretty coarse generalisation of what real people do, and why they do it.but only those who create art for pure enjoyment will continue to create beautiful music that is never heard, or pretty paintings that are left unseen.
but those who only want to write and paint because they yearn for escape from an impoverished reality will find that they too quickly f-a-d-e away...
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- KVRAF
- 2973 posts since 18 Oct, 2004
if I didn't make music occasionally I would probably off myself. so I don't really give a shit if anyone listens or pays me.