How do I get used to monitors
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 157 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
Hello there, I've been struggling to get used to KRK 5 G3 monitors for like 2 months or so. I have tried to listen to many songs, recreate songs and making my own beats. And i have perfect triangle and still..
Can it be because of my room? Like i know you get used to the room after a while but could it be because of my room is too small?
Here is picture of my room.
http://postimg.org/image/x7dqecfeh/
Any response would help, and thank you and have a good day! :>
Can it be because of my room? Like i know you get used to the room after a while but could it be because of my room is too small?
Here is picture of my room.
http://postimg.org/image/x7dqecfeh/
Any response would help, and thank you and have a good day! :>
- KVRAF
- 1676 posts since 3 May, 2014
A couple of weeks is normal to get familiar with new monitors,2 months seems a bit long to get accustomed to new monitors
What are you struggling with bass,mids or highs & what were you using before the KRK?
Did you do the room acoustic clap test ?
What are you struggling with bass,mids or highs & what were you using before the KRK?
Did you do the room acoustic clap test ?
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- KVRAF
- 1742 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK
...or at least move it to the middle of the long wall, you need symmetry. Agreed, 2 months is too long really. Struggling to fully understand what you mean by get used to?d-s-m wrote:You need to move your setup to the middle of a short wall, having it in the corner of a long wall generally isn't a good idea.
I wonder what happens if I press this button...
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 157 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
Im strugling mids, bass and i just used some crappy headphones before.ere2learn wrote:A couple of weeks is normal to get familiar with new monitors,2 months seems a bit long to get accustomed to new monitors
What are you struggling with bass,mids or highs & what were you using before the KRK?
Did you do the room acoustic clap test ?
And yeah i did clap test and there is echo.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 157 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
Im like, struggling to make a good sounding mix. When i listen with KRK then some things are quiet, then i boost those elements 20% then they sound good (on krk's) but too loud on other things like headphones, and car etc.ramseysounds wrote:...or at least move it to the middle of the long wall, you need symmetry. Agreed, 2 months is too long really. Struggling to fully understand what you mean by get used to?d-s-m wrote:You need to move your setup to the middle of a short wall, having it in the corner of a long wall generally isn't a good idea.
- KVRAF
- 8183 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
So you're saying your mixes aren't what you expect?
How long have you been making music for?
Also, Rokit's aren't particularly good monitors and they're in totally the wrong place in the room (as has been said).
How long have you been making music for?
Also, Rokit's aren't particularly good monitors and they're in totally the wrong place in the room (as has been said).
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
I would swap the position of your bed with your set-up position (and centre it on that wall) - always better for speakers to 'throw' down the longer length of a room. Make sure the speakers are at least 12" away from the wall - more if you can but that's a pretty small room so understandable if it's not possible. If you don't have any room treatment then consider getting some. A bass trap in each corner behind your set-up will work wonders and some decent spot treatment at reflection points either side of you will allow you to hear pan positions much better. I think room treatment is more important than what monitors you use - it makes a bigger difference.
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- KVRAF
- 6427 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
But it helps if monitors have proper adjustments too.do_androids_dream wrote:I think room treatment is more important than what monitors you use - it makes a bigger difference.
a) general cut - 1 or 2 dB for about 300 hz and below.
Helps adjusting to how close to wall they are etc.
Sometimes it helps to plug the port, if having such, it will drop lows if too much of those.
It even matter plug port partially at half, or third length.
b) general cut/boost +/- 1 and 2 dB at 100 hz shelving somewhere
c) general cut/boost +/- 1 or 2 dB of mids(2k or so)
d) general level of tweeters to balance with woofer are good
Place on separate stands, or use thicker acoustic foam to place them on, not to get too much resonance form table/desk.
But even if monitors are all good and properly set up - a listen in phones is necessary since it's perceived so differently. But invest in a better set of phones too, maybe.
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
How do you mean? Eq'ing within the DAW? If so, not recommended at all - you'll only be adjusting for that one tiny place your head happens to be at whilst making the adjustment. Room eq'ing is an absolute last resort for very problematic spaces.lfm wrote: But it helps if monitors have proper adjustments too.
a) general cut - 1 or 2 dB for about 300 hz and below.
Helps adjusting to how close to wall they are etc.
Again, I really wouldn't recommend this. If an expensive monitor is designed with ports I'm not going to second guess the designer.lfm wrote:Sometimes it helps to plug the port, if having such, it will drop lows if too much of those.
It even matter plug port partially at half, or third length.
Stands are absolutely essential in my book. Monitors on a desk - unless the desk is made of a very dense, heavy material - just sound absolutely awful. You'll get very muddy sounding low end where it's near impossible to make critical judgements.lfm wrote:Place on separate stands, or use thicker acoustic foam to place them on, not to get too much resonance form table/desk.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 157 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
Yes, my mixes doesn't sound good.tehlord wrote:So you're saying your mixes aren't what you expect?
How long have you been making music for?
Also, Rokit's aren't particularly good monitors and they're in totally the wrong place in the room (as has been said).
And i have been producing for 2 years
Maybe rokit's arents good monitors, they are the first ones i bought
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 157 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
I will try to see what i can do here, it's just because my bed will be in the place where you open doors, and i don't like it since i can see everything that is going on outside of my room and if it's night time, then when doors get open i will get light in my eyes. But will try to do somethings, thanks!do_androids_dream wrote:I would swap the position of your bed with your set-up position (and centre it on that wall) - always better for speakers to 'throw' down the longer length of a room. Make sure the speakers are at least 12" away from the wall - more if you can but that's a pretty small room so understandable if it's not possible. If you don't have any room treatment then consider getting some. A bass trap in each corner behind your set-up will work wonders and some decent spot treatment at reflection points either side of you will allow you to hear pan positions much better. I think room treatment is more important than what monitors you use - it makes a bigger difference.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 157 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
What do you mean by cutting/boosting, in eq or behind the monitors (those knobs). If you mean mastering then i don't think that's and issue.lfm wrote:But it helps if monitors have proper adjustments too.do_androids_dream wrote:I think room treatment is more important than what monitors you use - it makes a bigger difference.
a) general cut - 1 or 2 dB for about 300 hz and below.
Helps adjusting to how close to wall they are etc.
Sometimes it helps to plug the port, if having such, it will drop lows if too much of those.
It even matter plug port partially at half, or third length.
b) general cut/boost +/- 1 and 2 dB at 100 hz shelving somewhere
c) general cut/boost +/- 1 or 2 dB of mids(2k or so)
d) general level of tweeters to balance with woofer are good
Place on separate stands, or use thicker acoustic foam to place them on, not to get too much resonance form table/desk.
But even if monitors are all good and properly set up - a listen in phones is necessary since it's perceived so differently. But invest in a better set of phones too, maybe.
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- KVRAF
- 6427 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
All my lettered paragraphs were about adjustments on the monitors themselves.do_androids_dream wrote:How do you mean? Eq'ing within the DAW? If so, not recommended at all - you'll only be adjusting for that one tiny place your head happens to be at whilst making the adjustment. Room eq'ing is an absolute last resort for very problematic spaces.lfm wrote: But it helps if monitors have proper adjustments too.
a) general cut - 1 or 2 dB for about 300 hz and below.
Helps adjusting to how close to wall they are etc.
As I recall, Adam A7X, Mackie HR824 and Focal CMS 65 are among those having this kind of adjustment.
Dynaudio BM5, Neumann KH120 and KRK VXT 6 not.
So common to be able to adjust to distance from wall, but not all have it.
It's about adjusting to room - nothing wrong with design.Again, I really wouldn't recommend this. If an expensive monitor is designed with ports I'm not going to second guess the designer.lfm wrote:Sometimes it helps to plug the port, if having such, it will drop lows if too much of those.
It even matter plug port partially at half, or third length.
I've seen many comments about plugging ports, and I tried it myself with very good result. I was able to balance out the resonance from desk under monitors.
Ports are basically like a flute tube, that boost a certain frequency, often lows.
Like when you move the length of the flute by an insert, you move resonance frequency.
So whatever works making monitors translate well in that room - is good.
Best if designers made options for you - but you have to do that before purchase.
But anybody is free to spend $1000's on room treatment alone if they want.
Or you can improvise a little and a little of everything.
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- KVRist
- 61 posts since 8 Nov, 2013 from South UK
I don't think anyone has mentioned the blinding obvious so far -
Get some monitor stands!!
Decouples your monitors from the desk/floor and generally makes them sound tighter all round. Even if you have them currently sat on a foam pad, a proper stand is better.
Also,
Looking at your image, it looks like you have your monitors either side of a standard sized PC screen - if so, that's far too close together. If you had your monitors on stands either side of your desk, that's probably a much better width apart.
Also, and another really obvious point, if you've never had monitors before, and you've been mixing on headphones until now - I think you need to be patient. You can't go from headphones to monitors and expect great mixes in 2 months. That takes years to learn. You've only been producing two years, I know people who have been at the game 10 years who are still learning to mix.
Patience, yung grasshoppa.
Get some monitor stands!!
Decouples your monitors from the desk/floor and generally makes them sound tighter all round. Even if you have them currently sat on a foam pad, a proper stand is better.
Also,
Looking at your image, it looks like you have your monitors either side of a standard sized PC screen - if so, that's far too close together. If you had your monitors on stands either side of your desk, that's probably a much better width apart.
Also, and another really obvious point, if you've never had monitors before, and you've been mixing on headphones until now - I think you need to be patient. You can't go from headphones to monitors and expect great mixes in 2 months. That takes years to learn. You've only been producing two years, I know people who have been at the game 10 years who are still learning to mix.
Patience, yung grasshoppa.