Roland Cloud

[D-Fusion]

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[Aloysius]

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[Jon at Roland]

Hey IvyBibrds! Originally you said that we sampled sounds from other companies directly for ZENOLOGY. This is not true, ZENOLOGY sounds are almost entirely sourced from Roland samples and sounds. We used sounds from the XV and other PCM/sample based instruments as well but these are licensed samples from years ago before the creation of ZENOLOGY. These sounds were not sampled for ZENOLOGY, outside sounds were all licensed. 

Honestly Jon you are just embarrassing yourself now and you not only misrepresented your own product you are now deliberately misrepresenting what I said and showing your own lack of knowledge over what is in your product

Hey IvyBirds. I misunderstood what you originally wrote and aknowledged that Roland has in fact sampled or recreated other sounds in the past, (we aren't trying to hide this from anyone) and that those sounds are now in ZENOLOGY. Your original post read something different to me and I'm sorry if that made you upset, I should have been more clear that it was my interpretation of your response. I wasn't trying to misrepresent you, it was a misunderstanding. I'm always willing to answer questions and ask that you please do not insult me. There is no need for it. You can always reach out through our support portal if you feel I am trying to mislead you somehow but I never am and never will.

you should already see that Jon seems really to be just a marketing guy to keep this topic alive and suck in some poor souls not knowing RC Cloud enough...

Hi Caine123! Just to be clear with everyone, I am not a part of the marketing team. I am from the support team and am just here to make sure that users understand how Roland Cloud works, answer questions and give clarity where I can (which is almost everything except for up coming releases) and help people with problems or direct them where they need to go.

Jon dances around this topic like it is a hot turd, well it is ofc. So I understand. He is for damage control, not for getting things done.

A lot of samples from other HW are in the SRX / JV80 boards and now in zenology.
To deny this is just insane, and just shows how incompetent they have become with the whole cloud team. I am sorry (not) for the guys in the team not getting enough money to really get things done, but come on for 200 + tax a year we should actually expect some bugs fixes / design flaws recontruction and the whole licensing hell. Instead of this pingponging with some marketingguy.

Hi Septic, I acknowledged this in my response to IvyBirds. I'm not dancing around this nor are we trying to hide it.

I spoke too soon...

I just went back into RCM and now it its says I need to update it again.
Also the Zenology icon looks like how it used to.
At least the synths work ok so far.

new Zen screen.jpg

Sorry to hear this Examigan. Did you report this back to the support team? I'll notify them as well to make sure they know. Thanks again!

Sent a report with log files and it got forwarded to the team for further investigation, hope both issues mentioned here get fixed.

Hey samlletas, did you hear back from the team yet?

[ChamomileShark]

Updated the RCM a day or so ago while I wasn't paying attention. I keep getting "Authorisation Error: RCM server not connected". Windows 11.

However it doesn't seem to be causing any other issues. The software is playing fine, not gone into demo mode. I can't open the RCM from the task bar but then I often doesn't open. Quiting then starting the app from the apps list and it opens fine.

[Examigan]

I spoke too soon...

I just went back into RCM and now it its says I need to update it again.
Also the Zenology icon looks like how it used to.
At least the synths work ok so far.

new Zen screen.jpg

Sorry to hear this Examigan. Did you report this back to the support team? I'll notify them as well to make sure they know. Thanks again!

Yes I reported it with a support ticket. They said it will also send them a log file and they can check it out again.

[samlletas]

Sent a report with log files and it got forwarded to the team for further investigation, hope both issues mentioned here get fixed.

Hey samlletas, did you hear back from the team yet?

Hi Jon, last response was from Friday, I was told my ticket was forwarded to the team for further investigation.

Is there a way to rollback to a prev RCM version in the meantime? Zenology switched to demo mode and I haven't been able to use it after updating RCM to v3.1.3.

[Jon at Roland]

For sure! The Zen-core sounds are excellent and I'm learning a ton while deconstructing some of the premium sounds. There are some great FX & filters in there, and the control / matrix is great. I'll get some questions together & shoot them your way. Meanwhile, for the MC-707, does the complexity of the patch count towards the 128-voice? i.e. if I use all 4 partials, does it use up a voice per? Haven't yet run into voice stealing, but thinking frugally in Zenology sound design.

This is actually a great question! Let me ask around and see if I can get an answer for you. I'm happy to answer any questions you got so feel free to ask away. I'm much more versed in the Roland Cloud side of things, but Im happy to answer what I can!

[Jon at Roland]

Sent a report with log files and it got forwarded to the team for further investigation, hope both issues mentioned here get fixed.

Hey samlletas, did you hear back from the team yet?

Hi Jon, last response was from Friday, I was told my ticket was forwarded to the team for further investigation.

Is there a way to rollback to a prev RCM version in the meantime? Zenology switched to demo mode and I haven't been able to use it after updating RCM to v3.1.3.

Hey samlletas, unfortunately there is not. We just got back today from the weekend break so if you didn't hear back today it should be tomorrow.

I'll send you a PM so we can keep talking there!

[lenvdb]

I own a Roland XV-2020 which I bought back in 2005 - brand new.
I used it with my Cakewalk Sonic on Windows XP back then. I packed it all away in storage for a decade or so back in 2010.
Fast Fwd to 2024: I have now unpacked it in 2022 and started using it. And I discovered the Editor that I used on Windows XP has not evolved to the Windows 10 environment. I am still using the XV2020 and it works well after 12 years.
It seems everything else have evolved to VST Plugins.. I need to find a way to set up my Global Settings so that my Tuning is 432Hz instead of the standard 440Hz. It seems I can only do this using the old XV Editor. Thank heavens I still have an old laptop running on WinXP, which I used to install the XV Editor and modified the Global Settings to 432Hz, but when I started up the XV-2020 it reverted back to 440Hz.
Is there any way of using a sysex message to set it up on my XV running from my Cakewalk Bandlab DAW?
Or else is there a way to modify this setting from the XV-2020 directly? I really do not want to have to unpack the old XP laptop every day to do this?
Otherwise I need to find a VST for Roland to access the sounds here.
I also have a Korg X5D, and managed to get the Korg Triton VST which is pretty good.
Any advice for the XV2020?

[D-Fusion]

For sure! The Zen-core sounds are excellent and I'm learning a ton while deconstructing some of the premium sounds. There are some great FX & filters in there, and the control / matrix is great. I'll get some questions together & shoot them your way. Meanwhile, for the MC-707, does the complexity of the patch count towards the 128-voice? i.e. if I use all 4 partials, does it use up a voice per? Haven't yet run into voice stealing, but thinking frugally in Zenology sound design.

This is actually a great question! Let me ask around and see if I can get an answer for you. I'm happy to answer any questions you got so feel free to ask away. I'm much more versed in the Roland Cloud side of things, but Im happy to answer what I can!

1 note is using 4 voices If you use 4 partials and 2 notes pressed uses 8 notes.

1 Partial is 1 voice in Roland Terms and is the Reason why they have the XV5080 patch called 128VoicePno as a patch since it uses 1 Partial so you can play 128voices with that patch.

[mudi1974]

For sure! The Zen-core sounds are excellent and I'm learning a ton while deconstructing some of the premium sounds. There are some great FX & filters in there, and the control / matrix is great. I'll get some questions together & shoot them your way. Meanwhile, for the MC-707, does the complexity of the patch count towards the 128-voice? i.e. if I use all 4 partials, does it use up a voice per? Haven't yet run into voice stealing, but thinking frugally in Zenology sound design.

This is actually a great question! Let me ask around and see if I can get an answer for you. I'm happy to answer any questions you got so feel free to ask away. I'm much more versed in the Roland Cloud side of things, but Im happy to answer what I can!

1 note is using 4 voices If you use 4 partials and 2 notes pressed uses 8 notes.

1 Partial is 1 voice in Roland Terms and is the Reason why they have the XV5080 patch called 128VoicePno as a patch since it uses 1 Partial so you can play 128voices with that patch.

Also note that when you use Unison this will also add to the voice consumption. If you have a sound with 4 partials and set Unison size to 3 then one note will use 12 notes of polyphony.
Also if I remember correctly the manual says if you use one of the VCF filters instead of TVF it will also use more voices but they don't tell you how many.
Edit: Page 43 reference manual, it says If VCF is selected the polyphony will be less than with VCF and also that with -24 dB filter slope the polyphony will be less than with -12 dB filter slope.

[kmonkey]

I think Jon at Roland still has to realize what kind of sewer he entered and what kind of trolls and KVR armchair product specialists he is about to encounter

[D-Fusion]

I think Jon at Roland still has to realize what kind of sewer he entered and what kind of trolls and KVR armchair product specialists he is about to encounter

What worries me more is that he has to contact someone else at Roland to get the answer regarding Voices when he is a support guy and we the "Armchair Product Specialists" already knew what the answer is and answered the question.

[kmonkey]

What worries me more is that he has to contact someone else at Roland to get the answer regarding Voices when he is a support guy and we the "Armchair Product Specialists" already knew what the answer is and answered the question.

Roland these days reminds me of Road work where one guy have to ask another Guy what to do while the 3rd and 4th person are moving papers around the office for permits

So you are worried that Roland has a person dealing with the public who happens not to be a rotten geek knowing everything all the time inside out.

You must be living under a rock.

Even small teams with up to 10 people have a public relations agent which not necessarily know everything. Go to the UA forum or Gearspace forum. Plenty of times their public relations person says "Let me get an answer for you".

You can make his way of communication disadvantage (which is why the internet is poisonous because of people like you) while I will call him a genuine honest no BS person. And when he does not know something he says he needs to ask someone that does. That's called being honest instead of trying to be smart.

But ok I am the person who says the glass is half full of water while you must be the one who says it's half empty.

Do you also have several degrees of Youtube science diploma?

[D-Fusion]

What worries me more is that he has to contact someone else at Roland to get the answer regarding Voices when he is a support guy and we the "Armchair Product Specialists" already knew what the answer is and answered the question.

Roland these days reminds me of Road work where one guy have to ask another Guy what to do while the 3rd and 4th person are moving papers around the office for permits

So you are worried that Roland has a person dealing with the public who happens not to be a rotten geek knowing everything all the time inside out.

You must be living under a rock.

Even small teams with up to 10 people have a public relations agent which not necessarily know everything. Go to the UA forum or Gearspace forum. Plenty of times their public relations person says "Let me get an answer for you".

You can make his way of communication disadvantage (which is why the internet is poisonous because of people like you) while I will call him a genuine honest no BS person. And when he does not know something he says he needs to ask someone that does. That's called being honest instead of trying to be smart.

But ok I am the person who says the glass is half full of water while you must be the one who says it's half empty.

Do you also have several degrees of Youtube science diploma?

He calls himself a support guy so he should know their products when people ask.
Yeah. I really make Internet horrible by helping out whenever i can and because i had the answer you had to call me out with venomous slander like KVR Armchair specialist.

But go on and keep being an ass and attack everyone as you please since that does really make internet a better place to be.

I am not so shure who is the biggest A-Hole here is it you or me i wonder?