What morphing plugins are there and pros cons?

[Funky40]

quite similar, the melda mmorph has a bit more options but to me zynaptiq one sounds a bit better/is a bit more intuitive to use.

thanks for for the feedback @worldfever.
"sounds better" is key here / "intuitiv" doubles

CPU load might be similar i´d suspect ?

[zerocrossing]

Sugar Bytes Factory has 'morphing' feature where it allows to transition between two states. Not a morphing like in Alchemy or Zynaptiq Morph, more like interpolation between different parameters. Still it can yield interesting results.

Preset morphing is a totally different animal, because “keyframes” in important aspects of the sound are created. Almost more importantly, other aspects of the sounds can be ignored, like the pitch of an oscillator.

I have an old plugin called Kinisis that does exactly that.

Don't think it got far past release but I was one of the original beta testers for it so still have a copy on my old Windows laptop (doubt it will run on my new Mac)

Oh man, such a blast from the past. Look at that website!

http://www.progressaudio.co.uk/Kinisis/KinisisMain.html

[worldfever]

quite similar, the melda mmorph has a bit more options but to me zynaptiq one sounds a bit better/is a bit more intuitive to use.

thanks for for the feedback @worldfever.
"sounds better" is key here / "intuitiv" doubles

CPU load might be similar i´d suspect ?

I think the Zynaptiq plugin is heavier on the CPU.

[aMUSEd]

Sugar Bytes Factory has 'morphing' feature where it allows to transition between two states. Not a morphing like in Alchemy or Zynaptiq Morph, more like interpolation between different parameters. Still it can yield interesting results.

Preset morphing is a totally different animal, because “keyframes” in important aspects of the sound are created. Almost more importantly, other aspects of the sounds can be ignored, like the pitch of an oscillator.

I have an old plugin called Kinisis that does exactly that.

Don't think it got far past release but I was one of the original beta testers for it so still have a copy on my old Windows laptop (doubt it will run on my new Mac)

Oh man, such a blast from the past. Look at that website!

http://www.progressaudio.co.uk/Kinisis/KinisisMain.html

Yes my heart kept for a moment when I saw the (Universal) beside the Mac installer, thinking has he updated it for Apple Silicon, then spotted the MacOX 10.4 and realised he probably meant Universal in the sense of supporting Intel and PPC

[Funky40]

for those who know:
how does the Melda mMorph compare to the Zynaptic Morph ? ( i have the latter, so i see where it sits)

quite similar, the melda mmorph has a bit more options but to me zynaptiq one sounds a bit better/is a bit more intuitive to use. that said been using the melda one more lately. but they are i would say 75% the same

so, the Melda Morph went on sale, 50%off. (IS right now on sale! )
I could not resist.

After a first patching session in my pluginhost of choice (GP) can i say: i´m happy to have both.
I´d say they indeed complement each other very well.

vs. my realtime-play patch uses are the soundoptions i can have within one patch bigger with the Melda morph. Also has it more playground to map controls to HW controls for realtime manipulation.

CPU load is a little less. ...nothing dramatic.
The workload to unleash its musical potential will be unlikely bigger, though.

[Neon Breath]

For me, there are no morphing plugins out there. The Kyma morphing is what a morph between two sounds is, and yes it takes time and lot of trials to set it up and get interesting results (I’ve tried it few times at a friend’s Studio who owns a Kyma system and it was no fun or cool to do lol).

All those pseudo morphing plugins out here (Except Alchemy’ spectral and additive morphing that is very close to Kyma) are just different takes and flavors of cross-synthesis and you always end up with a vocodish sound, often robotic and muddy. That’s no genuine spectral morphing with pitch tracking and all. They always end up sounding like a bad vocoder to me.

[CinningBao]

Was CDP already mentioned in this thread? (just triggering other users )

But Neon Breath speaketh the truth. I haven't even used Kyma and I know from playing with FFT over the years and the different audio tools we have at our disposal, none of them do actual _real_ morphing. It's all pretend data blending, and boring stuff. Nothing clever or 'aware', which is what you'd need proper morphing tools to do. I understand to get things working well in Kyma, much tuning of the tools is required to get the best out of the source materials. You can't just plonk a couple of noises in and go "MORPH THESE" and expect diamonds, because you'll get toast crumbs.

I did explore Alchemy's Additive and Spectral cross-fading, and apart it being quite CPU expensive, it's definitely the closest to 'real' morphing. In fact, you've reminded me how awesome it is! Might make some bass noises this evening

[Funky40]

what you two guys are saying might be "technically" the truth.
but: i´m a musician, and NOT a composer.
You see the difference ?

while in both cases, the musical outcome should be the main concern,
and NOT if the underlying tech was "according to paper specs", haha.




sorry, this became long: (please, do not read if bothered)(should have programmed some sounds instead......anyway)
i do NOT care if something sounds like a Vocoder, while "my tool" was labeled differently. I do not think, ohhh well, you shitty tool, you are NOT supposed to sound like a vocoder.

I´m specialised in doing "realtime-play" patches in my computer. ( coming from patching over many moons with a nice modular). So, for me, my first and all concern is: whats the latency ?
can i incorporate it into my realtime patches ? ( which are played by a masterkeyboard)
Thats in first place -->ALL<-- that counts !

so, second:....in my situation, you won´t deal with samples.
I do not take a lion and a Fish, and out should come a "meowing Frog".......for that next super scene in that next super film.
ALL that counts here, is: "the playability of the Sounds".-----> over a wide range of the keyboard range !

third: in that -my- usecase scenario, is your "Sourcematerial" to deal with, ---> quite limited.*
I think its an own art initself to learn to incorporate such "morph" stuff into realtime play patches.
and thats what i just started to do, and started to learn.
* ie, can´t take the roar of a lion, and play it at C4

and from there can i say, yes, i´m happy.
It was worth the money for me. Thats a ~149€ + ~75€ for a total of ~225€.
What i allready do get out,...is way beyond vs. what any Hardware FX ever would do.
( which is also related to the fact that i patch within gigPerformer, ...and the routing stuff i can achive there ( incl. HW CC mapping access to it) is a BIG part of the whole equation. Even your fattest HW FX devices could NOT do this things / thats granted. Routing inclouds in my case for example also: bypassing=CPU-muting of unused FX plugins. All that, setup as morph controls)


well, long speech short: ALL that counts is the Musical outcome !
.....looks good to me so far. It will be worth the time to dive deeper "into this".
Kyma is not a contender ---> in my case ......Kyma is a dream,....but won´t ever happen for me.
And i much doubt it would be better vs. what i do.

so, from the trench: i allready got out unheard sounds, -Piano based-, within my first patch attempt with M-morph.
Point for me on such stuff is allways: the "form-ability" of the sound in realtime, while playing.
Its good, it adds something new on the table.
Vocoders do not do the same thing in my usecase context.

adding this -my- perspective to "that" topic

[CinningBao]

I'm sorry to tell you but you are so completely wrong about everything.

I'm kidding! Of course, we all use the tools in which ever way we like, and find the tools to fit that usage. I'm glad you found something to fit your workflow and make your ears happy

My ears are not easily pleased in this regard. I want hyper-realistic "what the hell is that noise" kind of audio and after spending too long mucking around with FFT it becomes difficult to hear 'around' it. The Zynaptic thing uses a slightly advanced type which means it has a kind of clarity, but everything is still just a smush of sound.

I'll probably never be happy.

Until I get Kyma.

[ehdyn]

Not true "morphing" but Izotope RX can do some interesting interpolations between short sounds.

[Funky40]

I'll probably never be happy.

Until I get Kyma.

Lol, i know exactly what you mean

Kyma is for me off the table.
To dive into it seems to workloady, ...and finally, again, means: sitting in front of the computer.
Leave alone the fincances. But the new Kyma was *VERY* tempting for a second or two. ...indeed.

[zerocrossing]

I just used Transmulator to morph my voice and a sample of an otter screaming (part of a sea monster scream) and I found the results pretty good. I automated the morph control for some extra movement and I was pretty happy with the results.

[ChamomileShark]

I just used Transmulator to morph my voice and a sample of an otter screaming (part of a sea monster scream) and I found the results pretty good. I automated the morph control for some extra movement and I was pretty happy with the results.

Couldn't find that via google, who makes it?

[WasteLand]

I just used Transmulator to morph my voice and a sample of an otter screaming (part of a sea monster scream) and I found the results pretty good. I automated the morph control for some extra movement and I was pretty happy with the results.

Couldn't find that via google, who makes it?

https://unitedplugins.com/Transmutator/

[whyterabbyt]

I just used Transmulator to morph my voice and a sample of an otter screaming (part of a sea monster scream) and I found the results pretty good. I automated the morph control for some extra movement and I was pretty happy with the results.

Couldn't find that via google, who makes it?

https://unitedplugins.com/Transmutator/

Ah, cheers. I googled and found nothing, too... 'mut' not 'mul'