KVR Audio

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:36 am

Ableton 12 has been announced - public beta soon available. Final version will be out in spring 2024.

https://www.ableton.com/en/live/all-new-features/

What's new:

MIDI Transformations - Create a variety of simple or complex variations to your MIDI clips

MIDI Generators - Conjure up melodies, chords and rhythms with new MIDI Generators.

MIDI Editing Improvements - Arrange the order of a selection of notes by pitch, velocity or duration. Stretch, split, chop or join notes in new ways;

Keys and Scales
Set the selected clip’s scale in Live’s Control Bar to see its notes in any clip you create.

Meld - A bi-timbral, MPE-capable instrument

Roar - Multiband Distortion with deep modulation and sound design possibilities

Live’s Mixer, previously available only in Session View, can now be used in Arrangement View.

Browser Tagging and Filtered Searches
Search for your sounds in the Browser without the constraints of Live's built-in categorization.

Sound Similarity Search
Start with a sample and tell Live’s browser to find comparable sounds and instrument presets, with the help of a neural network.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:50 am

hello Bitwig

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:53 am

https://youtu.be/QFCV6EkqRQs?si=vPXZn2bOSC20X21w

miloszz · Post by **miloszz** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:57 am

Still no mention of bounce in place/bounce to new audio track...

SHall1000 · Post by **SHall1000** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:01 am

No mention of ditching midi merge and allowing midi routing out of a track on separate channels. Guess this will never happen.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:03 am

miloszz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:57 am Still no mention of bounce in place/bounce to new audio track...

Because it is probably the single most boring feature they are least interested in. Don't ask me why because you know the answer and you know this can be done in many different ways.

As if you are a mosquito on a beach full of naked people and then you complain about humidity. Live life and make music. And godspeed in finding a better DAW that suits your bounce-in-place vision.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:04 am

omg haha. Is the glass of water filled to the middle, half full or half empty?

wvshpr · Post by **wvshpr** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:11 am

jules99 · Post by **jules99** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:17 am

kmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:03 am
miloszz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:57 am Still no mention of bounce in place/bounce to new audio track...
Because it is probably the single most boring feature they are least interested in. Don't ask me why because you know the answer and you know this can be done in many different ways.

As if you are a mosquito on a beach full of naked people and then you complain about humidity. Live life and make music. And godspeed in finding a better DAW that suits your bounce-in-place vision.

Bounce in place is there now. You click a track and select "Freeze and flatten". It's only available on a per-track basis, not per-clip. But it's a start.

klovne · Post by **klovne** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:30 am

xbitz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:50 amhello Bitwig

This is amazing. And the midi tools

What a great update tbfh

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:34 am

I actually think that is a pretty impressive list, I like it. And this is just the headlines (more + packs normally get added before release). Update not too bad either

Resizable Arrangement View Mixer, midi editing improvements and much better browser much needed, neural network sound fining sounds interesting! Also worth a mention...

Stacked Detail Views
View your devices and the Clip Editor, or automation and device parameters, at the same time – so you can work without the distraction of switching between views.

View styling
Live 12’s cleaner, more minimal look removes visual complexity and keeps the focus on your music.

I use Bitwig quite a bit but I much prefer the uncluttered look of Live.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:41 am

xbitz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:50 amhello Bitwig

Just fair after Bitwig "borrowed" 90% of Ableton´s DNA and then copied over 100% of kiloHearts MSEG system...

Bitwig user cannot really claim if somebody "re-borrows" some of the few original ideas of Bitwig...

For me Ableton nailed it with this release...
I am a huge sucker of midi creating/mangling/scale assistent tools and Bitwig´s experimental approach is a bit too nerdy for me respectively on the Midi editor they lose completely against Ableton since V11 already... I am sure Ableton will have made this new stuff much more accessable for "non nerds"

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:52 am

^^^ the arrangement patterns are the "big" thing for me https://isotonikstudios.com/product/son ... ic-trance/ especially the trance one

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:04 am

https://youtu.be/Gh3P6SJFyUY

miloszz · Post by **miloszz** » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:05 am

kmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:03 am you know this can be done in many different ways.

All of which are a pain in the ass compared to right clicking and tapping "bounce to new audio track" as with... every other DAW.

I get that they're more interested in hyping up new random and generative features to let us completely strip intent from creation but this is indeed a very basic and useful feature. It's also why I have to keep Logic Pro installed if I just want to work with manipulating audio to make samples.

Live life and make music. And godspeed in finding a better DAW that suits your bounce-in-place vision.

The important thing is that you got to express your superiority, right?

Ableton 12 - Generative MIDI, Multiband Distortion and more