Ultrasonic FM?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14998 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Has there ever been a synthesizer that uses FM like FM radio, where two high frequency ultrasonic waves are used, to make an audio signal to of the beat frequencies?
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- KVRer
- 26 posts since 14 Jun, 2021 from Italy
The basis of FM radio is the same as FM synthesizers, with the added difference that the carrier signal is demodulated away, so you ideally just get the modulator signal back. Long story short, if done correctly it would just sound like the modulator.
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- KVRist
- 210 posts since 18 Oct, 2023
Modulating high frequency content usually will result in lots of aliasing.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:33 am Has there ever been a synthesizer that uses FM like FM radio, where two high frequency ultrasonic waves are used, to make an audio signal to of the beat frequencies?
Tone2 Nemesis is the only synth I know that is able to do real FM (not PM) synthesis with high frequencies and any waveform and without aliasing.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14998 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Ah, good point. I sort of figured that might be the case.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14998 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Nemesis is one of my favorites!Tone2 Synthesizers wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:51 pmModulating high frequency content usually will result in lots of aliasing.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:33 am Has there ever been a synthesizer that uses FM like FM radio, where two high frequency ultrasonic waves are used, to make an audio signal to of the beat frequencies?
Tone2 Nemesis is the only synth I know that is able to do real FM (not PM) synthesis with high frequencies and any waveform and without aliasing.
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- KVRAF
- 12356 posts since 7 May, 2006 from Southern California
I think what you are referring to is called heterodyning. I've played around with those concepts with my hardware modular and test equeipment but not with software. Using ringmod, FM and sample&hold on two ultra-sonic signals to create child tones within the audible spectrum.
With sufficient oversampling or some kind of perdictive model, I assume it would be possible to ringmod a sine at 30kHz and another at 31khZ and get an audible 1k tone. Things get more interesting with more complex signals and feedback, as harmonics start interacting with each other in chaotic ways.
Without oversampling, those ultrasonic frequencies will cause aliasing but if you can adjust the sample rate dynamically (for example by using a sample&hold clocked at audio rates, then you can have some manner of control of the frequencies at which the processed sounds generate aliasing.
With sufficient oversampling or some kind of perdictive model, I assume it would be possible to ringmod a sine at 30kHz and another at 31khZ and get an audible 1k tone. Things get more interesting with more complex signals and feedback, as harmonics start interacting with each other in chaotic ways.
Without oversampling, those ultrasonic frequencies will cause aliasing but if you can adjust the sample rate dynamically (for example by using a sample&hold clocked at audio rates, then you can have some manner of control of the frequencies at which the processed sounds generate aliasing.