I Can't understand !
Why nobody are selling simply FLAT midi controller with 32 knobs or more ...for vst instruments with "smart" printed panels to apply over it?
(or to buy separately...)
Behringer BCR2000 is so curve shaped you can't apply notning to it... Evolution UC33 has some for reaktor... but... that's all.
I mean "a lot of" panels... for pro53, ppg2.3, minimonsta, fm7, vanguard, z3ta+ and so on... so you change your vst and apply the panel in 1 second... and you can edit like wind...
I really can't understand... because every vst instruments would buy it...
(sorry for my bad english...)
Knobs
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- KVRist
- 260 posts since 2 May, 2004
Because we're all elite.
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- Banned
- 4026 posts since 27 Jan, 2004
huh? controllers that you can change panels on?
That's a good idea!...really, or I dunno.
Then, you'd have to get a panel with each instrument you get...heh, then there could be only one standard controller. Not much fun. Hm, waht about all the panles you'd have lying around if you vere to have more than 20 synths or so...would hardly just a second to get the right one...perhaps maybe if you're organized.¨
That's a good idea!...really, or I dunno.
Then, you'd have to get a panel with each instrument you get...heh, then there could be only one standard controller. Not much fun. Hm, waht about all the panles you'd have lying around if you vere to have more than 20 synths or so...would hardly just a second to get the right one...perhaps maybe if you're organized.¨
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- KVRist
- 143 posts since 3 Apr, 2001 from Mont de Marsan, 40000, France
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- KVRist
- 291 posts since 3 Dec, 2002 from tokyo
Its a really good idea. The UC -33 has some plastic overlays that fit over the knobs, but only for certain synths, such as Reactor. Other manufacturers should do this, and produce overlays for lots of software.
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- KVRAF
- 12235 posts since 18 Aug, 2003
The answer is simple, the companies that make hardware cannot keep up with the production rate of the companies that make software. The whole reason so many companies have moved to software-based business models is because it eliminates the problems, costs, and time investment to make a physical product.
As a result, the market is overflowing with software. The hardware manufacturers often align themselves with several big players - Reaktor, Reason, Live, etc - but who would want to to cover the cost of printing up panels for every Synthedit-made synth that comes along? You'd be overflowing in useless cardboard (just imagine the store display for the Fat-Ass panel!).
The UC-33 is pretty flat, and pretty knobby. Why not just make your own panels for it? I'm sure it would be cheaper for you, and custom tailored to your needs.
I know it's asking a lot for people to do something for themselves, bollox to effort and all that. And I know it is unjust to have two precious minutes stolen away from you just to do some menial task like editing. So it might be easier if you pretend that you are in fact a giant multinational corporation enabling a better lifestyle for yourself by providing all the convenience you desire and your bank account can handle. Perhaps even exchange currency with yourself, just to authenticate the deal.
Cheers,
Steve
As a result, the market is overflowing with software. The hardware manufacturers often align themselves with several big players - Reaktor, Reason, Live, etc - but who would want to to cover the cost of printing up panels for every Synthedit-made synth that comes along? You'd be overflowing in useless cardboard (just imagine the store display for the Fat-Ass panel!).
The UC-33 is pretty flat, and pretty knobby. Why not just make your own panels for it? I'm sure it would be cheaper for you, and custom tailored to your needs.
I know it's asking a lot for people to do something for themselves, bollox to effort and all that. And I know it is unjust to have two precious minutes stolen away from you just to do some menial task like editing. So it might be easier if you pretend that you are in fact a giant multinational corporation enabling a better lifestyle for yourself by providing all the convenience you desire and your bank account can handle. Perhaps even exchange currency with yourself, just to authenticate the deal.
Cheers,
Steve
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- KVRian
- 882 posts since 23 Apr, 2004
the phatboy comes with a pre set bunch of cover panels and a couple plastic panels you can write on with a grease pencil 
they pop over the knobs, but then, there arent that many knobs on it compared to new stuff... I should dust mine off one of these days.
they pop over the knobs, but then, there arent that many knobs on it compared to new stuff... I should dust mine off one of these days.
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- KVRAF
- 3561 posts since 20 Jun, 2002
but.. about everyone is. Half of the controllers I got for testing came with plastic sheets for various software.Why nobody are selling simply FLAT midi controller with 32 knobs or more ...for vst instruments with "smart" printed panels to apply over it?
I find them useless because:
-today's complex software can barely be fully controlled through a small bunch of knobs, some have thousands of parameters, mostly tabbed stuff
-controllers crowded with the most knobs in the smallest space (like the drehbank) are barely usable unless you have midget fingers
-no one can remember what 32 knobs are assigned to, hence the sheets, but you won't find usable sheets for all software anyway
So what's my dream controller? A (keyboard) controller with a small sample of each type, like 4 normal knobs, 4 'endless' knobs, 4 sliders, 4 toggle buttons, 4 latch buttons, a jog, etc. And then the software has to offer the quickest way to assign a hardware knob to a software one.
Printed sheets are mostly marketing so that the hardware can be advertised as tailored for software (and in a way it's good so that you at least knob it has been tested & works with the specific software), but I don't find them much useful.
I've received hardware to adapt my software to, and ended up doing nothing because the controllers were pure generic MIDI controllers that were already working perfectly with it. Still, I listed them in my list so that people know that they do work fine with the software. So generic MIDI controllers are the best thing, except that it's harder to market them as made specifically for a piece of software.
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- KVRAF
- 2382 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
Why didn't the manufacturer simply make an RTF "template" that can be loaded into nearly any word processor, and then the end user can just print their own panels?
You could also make templates yourself, using whatever word processing program you prefer, and make all the customized panels you want. Why wait for the manufacturer to guess which instruments you need panels for?
take care,
McLilith
You could also make templates yourself, using whatever word processing program you prefer, and make all the customized panels you want. Why wait for the manufacturer to guess which instruments you need panels for?
take care,
McLilith
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- KVRer
- 20 posts since 20 Jul, 2002
I will make you a proposal. I don't want to get rich, just provide a solution.
What would you be willing to pay for "custom" size and custom "punched paper for say the BCR2000 for example, and you need to buy them per 20 ( to justify handling and shipping costs) ?
My father in law is a professional printer, and I could try talking him into helping us out on this ... whadayasay ?
What would you be willing to pay for "custom" size and custom "punched paper for say the BCR2000 for example, and you need to buy them per 20 ( to justify handling and shipping costs) ?
My father in law is a professional printer, and I could try talking him into helping us out on this ... whadayasay ?
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- KVRAF
- 2382 posts since 7 Jul, 2003 from Huntington, WV
The cutout areas would be outlined on the RTF document. You can use a pair of scissors, can't you?bozzieman wrote:And how do you suppose you are going to get the holes punched in the sheets at the right place ???
McLilith
