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enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:39 pm

Hello. I've got a problem with Passion Flute. In a Logi Pro X project, it becomes extremely soft in volume after a while or after I open the project. The only way around seems to unload it from and reload it into the Kontakt plugin (I've got the latest version). My Passion Flute is updated, you sent me the link and I downloaded it a couple of weeks ago. Everything seems to be the latest version. My gear is described in my signature. I don't seem to have similar problems with other instruments in the Kontakt plugin (so far!). What's happening? Can you please help me? Thank you.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 6:46 pm

Sounds like some CCs get sent to it (CC7, CC11?).

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:10 pm

It seems not. MIDI controller is turned off and there is no CC command in the event list.

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:31 pm

It sounds like just a Passion Flute thing: I've created a project with a single track and a single MIDI region, recorded a few notes. If I load Passion Flute in the Kontakt plugin of the track, there is the above described issue. If I load another instrument, e.g. EAG steel strings, in the very same Kontakt container of the very same track without changing anything else there is no issue and it works as expected! Greg, help please!

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:58 pm

After it becomes very soft, can you try changing controller 1, 7, and 11 to their maximum values (127) to see if that brings it back up to full volume.

Also, is it just soft in overall volume, or is it just the dynamics that get soft? There are three keyswitches that let you toggle the instrument to the soft dynamic only, full dynamics (this is the default), or overblown dynamic only. If you accidentally hit the soft dynamic keyswitch, that would explain why the instrument gets suddenly soft. Just a thought.

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:17 am

Thank you Greg, I'll do the tests you suggest this weekend and will let you know.

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:29 pm

Hi Greg. It is just soft overall in volume. I've tried and checked everything you suggested and it did not help.

But, I've discovered something very interesting: by just mouse-clicking on the Passion Flute expression fader within the PF Settings pane, the volume becomes again normal! Yay! However, saving the Logic Pro X project and reopening it, the volume is again very soft. Touching again the PF expression fader, it gets normal again. And so on. Thus, touching the PF expression fader seems to help but it is not a stable solution.

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:31 pm

Hey Greg, any comments or news?

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:58 pm

It seems like something is messing/interfering with the expression control in that case. Passion Flute uses CC #100 as an internal controller for expression--is there any chance your DAW is trying to use CC #100 for something else?

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:04 pm

Hmm I have no idea. It's just plain Logic Pro X sofware with a few libraries of Komplete 9 and some Kontakt ones, like several of yours, plus a MIDI controller (but I did my tests also without the MIDI controller) and a Faderport attached. I understand I could perhaps try and automate CC #100 to a constant value through the song? (I don't know if it's possible, I'm new to Logic.)

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:10 pm

The real test is, next time the volume sounds soft, send a CC 100 message and see if it jumps back to the full volume.

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:02 am

OK, thank you for the advice. I did the following in a test project with just a Passion Flute track and nothing else: with the region selected, I opened the piano roll, then opened within it the MIDI draw window and selected CC #100 for drawing. In this way I could draw automation for CC #100 which, by the way, is labeled as "Reg.Par.LSB" by Logic Pro X. Then I put its value to max (127) along all the region. And yes, the volume of PF comes back to normality with just this operation and it is kept consistent as I save and reopen the project. So, could it be a conflict with something else assigned to CC #100 by Logic?

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:52 am

I haven't heard of Logic using CC #100 for something internal, but maybe it's related to a setting in Logic? Are you using any control surfaces?

enrico.nic · Post by **enrico.nic** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:00 am

Yes, I use Faderport.

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:50 am

Oops, I just saw that you already mentioned that. I wonder if the Faderport uses CC100 for something internal. It just depends on how the Faderport is communicating with Logic. Actually, it could be that Logic itself is just using that CC number.

I'll alter Passion Flute's script and change it to use a different CC number internally. That should avoid the conflict you're running into.

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