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lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:02 pm

I watched the video and I've looked at the feature list. It looks good, clearly good browser features and interesting content, and I may well end up purchasing it. But, at the same time, I was kind of underwhelmed. Big company, many many man years in the making, but nothing groundbreaking, nothing earth shattering, nothing genuinely new.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:04 pm

MachFive 3 has all of that that already, so I currently wouldn't see any reason to spend € 400, but I wiil definitely demo it when it's around, still more than 3 months, so the hype is early.

Spip · Post by **Spip** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:19 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:but I wiil definitely demo it when it's around, still more than 3 months, so the hype is early.

AFAIK, there was no demo.

I've used Omnisphere a lot, a few years ago and that's a great synth. The lack of user import and "exotic" types of synthesis was a little bit disappointing after some years of daily use.

And that's true that the hype is high but there are also some good reasons...

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:54 pm

lnikj wrote:I watched the video and I've looked at the feature list. It looks good, clearly good browser features and interesting content, and I may well end up purchasing it. But, at the same time, I was kind of underwhelmed. Big company, many many man years in the making, but nothing groundbreaking, nothing earth shattering, nothing genuinely new.

I think what was 'ground breaking' is the appearance of actually listening to the market and adding features which addressed many of the requests.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:03 pm

So after some more investigating it seems clear, that Omni 2 does not allow for the import/the creation of multisampled instruments with round robin and velocity layers, only the import of a single sample as a sound source - which makes it no alternative for me really.

I would never use any existing sample-sound-source from the Omni factory library to create patches and for the wavetable/FM/VA workstation type of thing MachFive and HALion are already very well equipped. The only reason for me to get into Omni 2 would be a financial one, in hope to get into the probably rather large Omni-patch-business - but that's not such a good motivation to create yet another sound universe from scratch.

Spip · Post by **Spip** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:09 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:So after some more investigating it seems clear, that Omni 2 does not allow for the import/the creation of multisampled instruments with round robin and velocity layers

Any source ?

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:24 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:So after some more investigating it seems clear, that Omni 2 does not allow for the import/the creation of multisampled instruments with round robin and velocity layers, only the import of a single sample as a sound source - which makes it no alternative for me really.

I would never use any existing sample-sound-source from the Omni factory library to create patches and for the wavetable/FM/VA workstation type of thing MachFive and HALion are already very well equipped. The only reason for me to get into Omni 2 would be a financial one, in hope to get into the probably rather large Omni-patch-business - but that's not such a good motivation to create yet another sound universe from scratch.

Reasonable. It seems unclear to how much of a standard it will be for outside developers too.
I'm really hoping more for more of what you do on HALion at this point. Probably be picking up your sets for it as soon as some more time clears up for me.

Spip · Post by **Spip** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:33 pm

Spip wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:So after some more investigating it seems clear, that Omni 2 does not allow for the import/the creation of multisampled instruments with round robin and velocity layers
Any source ?

OK, Sorry. My mistake.

I've asked directly to Spectrasonics.

Here is their answer :

"No, it's intentionally not a sampler, it's more about manipulating audio files and creating interesting new sounds with them."

Bad news...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:45 pm

Spip wrote:
Spip wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:So after some more investigating it seems clear, that Omni 2 does not allow for the import/the creation of multisampled instruments with round robin and velocity layers
Any source ?
OK, Sorry. My mistake.

I've asked directly to Spectrasonics.

Here is their answer :

"No, it's intentionally not a sampler, it's more about manipulating audio files and creating interesting new sounds with them."

Bad news...

But it's understandable that they want to stay in their comfort zone and not compete with other instruments on the hybrid market, they probably have so many users who like the product as is, that there is simply no need to make it a hybrid workstation including a full featured sample player a la HALion, MachFive and somewhat the former Alchemy.

Spip · Post by **Spip** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:03 am

You're probably right but I've never understood why putting some limitations when it's easy to do far better without almost any additional work.

Back to square one, though. Still no viable alternative to Alchemy...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:04 am

Spip wrote:
Back to square one, though. Still no viable alternative to Alchemy...

Wrong, the same as before the Omni 2 announcement: MachFive and HALion.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:13 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Spip wrote:
Back to square one, though. Still no viable alternative to Alchemy...
Wrong, the same as before the Omni 2 announcement: MachFive and HALion.

But, if you could ONLY pick one it would be...

Spip · Post by **Spip** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:21 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Spip wrote:
Back to square one, though. Still no viable alternative to Alchemy...
Wrong, the same as before the Omni 2 announcement: MachFive and HALion.

You're in an optimist mood tonight !

Concerning MachFive, I'm hesitating to try the last version, to say the least, as I'm a former user of MachFive. I don't know exactly when I've bought it but at the very beginning. Maybe 10 or 15 years ago.

I can say without any doubt that was the biggest scam that I encountered in my entire life of software consumer... (just after Unity-DS1, to be honest)
The software was almost OK but not safe. Random crashes at will. Until the next OS... I've contacted their support staff : a total joke. (first advice, for example, "try to power your computer On and off a few times, etc.)

Is it good in the granular department ? What do you like in this software ?

And I have no idea about Halion. I never tried it.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:22 am

Spip wrote:
Is it good in the granular department ? What do you like in this software ?

And I have no idea about Halion. I never tried it.

HALion 5 is probably the best in the granular department, but M5 is also very capable and it has a deep modulation system allowing for modulation routings as complex as in Alchemy (and allows for scripted interfaces). Probably best to listen to/watch some of the hours of demos I created for my MachFive and HALion libraries, they say more than 1000 words.

MachFive:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... machfive-3

http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... xperiments

Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... YFGBVC1I5a

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... vb-AHA8SzI

HALion:
http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/s ... xperiments

Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... cFOdSUih1o

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:29 am

That's not fair, Simon! Why do we have to use our ears to make our own minds up? Thought KVR's main purpose to being here is so we don't have to.

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