Eh, it won't be too long before someone in the growing roster actually accomplishes that. They just need a bit more angst, tis all.liars&ashes wrote:take it to the radio and Nine Inch Nails it
Is Glitch Dead?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2277 posts since 2 Dec, 2003
- KVRAF
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
Wow, the best thing you've ever written promptly followed by a retraction. You're s strange cat.Z3R0T0N1N wrote:as far as glitch being dead... i don't buy into genres. they are invented to explain away beauty, or t0 elevate trash. if your music glitches and it is beautiful, it will never be dead. you can't put beauty in that kind of box.
sigh.
was that f**king pretentious enough for you? damn it i piss myself off sometimes!!!
i'm not even going to change it. i am going to leave what i said unchanged, as a warning to others.
I don't know from glitch so I can't vote.
I love Jack's music, but wtf is similar?
I live in isolation from these things; I'm really not being sarcastic.
I recall someone once said my FSU-y tracks were "worse than glitch" but before I could appreciate that I spaced out and started dreaming of what I could do with glitch jockey live once again.
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- KVRist
- 45 posts since 18 Sep, 2006 from New York, NY
I'm not sure about glitch, but Industrial is alive and well. The question to be asked is "is fresh new music in the genre in question still being made?". The answer for Industrial is "yes". Of course, if you don't realize that Industrial is not a regular genre anymore, and is in fact an umbrella/supergenre like Rock, you might think otherwise. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_in ... _subgenres ] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_in ... _subgenres)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2277 posts since 2 Dec, 2003
I'm far from anti-industrial, it use to be "my thing". But that thing has waned terribly this decade... BUT, you tell me two actually -decent- industrial albums that came out this year and I'll give them a listen.spencerh wrote:I'm not sure about glitch, but Industrial is alive and well. The question to be asked is "is fresh new music in the genre in question still being made?". The answer for Industrial is "yes". Of course, if you don't realize that Industrial is not a regular genre anymore, and is in fact an umbrella/supergenre like Rock, you might think otherwise. [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_in ... _subgenres ] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_in ... _subgenres)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2277 posts since 2 Dec, 2003
Runagate your music would fall under "Post-Glitch".runagate wrote:I don't know from glitch so I can't vote.
Well to be fair my last two releases were NOT glitch, one was self-proclaimed "Synthclash", and the other one was just "Experimental", though it had fleeting moments of glitch.I love Jack's music, but wtf is similar?
For the better, no doubt. You don't want to be all internally conflicted like my retarded ass.I live in isolation from these things; I'm really not being sarcastic.
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- KVRAF
- 7879 posts since 16 Apr, 2003 from -on the outside looking in
I'm afraid I really don't know what glitch is then, for the same reason Runagate mentioned; I am almost completely isolated from any kind of music "scene" outside of my wanderings around the net -here primarily.JackDark wrote:Runagate your music would fall under "Post-Glitch".runagate wrote:I don't know from glitch so I can't vote.
I love Jack's music, but wtf is similar?For the better, no doubt. You don't want to be all internally conflicted like my retarded ass.I live in isolation from these things; I'm really not being sarcastic.
..what goes around comes around..
- KVRAF
- 2818 posts since 30 Aug, 2001 from where dinosaurs are still alive
you shameless nutseq's presets molester...JackDark wrote:So I was screwing around and made a little glitch track the other day, and I got to wondering...
not a huge glitch listener, most on the mp3 I listen are from here.
is glitch a sound sorce or a method? I like to make my structures glitch, simply considering glitch as a simple evolution to both a static beat with a bassline or a programmed-for-hours-and-intentional-to-the-bone drum track.
- KVRAF
- 37531 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Me too - I never really understood what Glitch was or what defines so many of these micro-genres. It all seems to come down to including a certain kind of sound or sound source or different beat even as if you could place 2 different pieces of classical or jazz music in different genres because one has a piano in it and the other a violin and one is faster than the other?runagate wrote:Wow, the best thing you've ever written promptly followed by a retraction. You're s strange cat.Z3R0T0N1N wrote:as far as glitch being dead... i don't buy into genres. they are invented to explain away beauty, or t0 elevate trash. if your music glitches and it is beautiful, it will never be dead. you can't put beauty in that kind of box.
sigh.
was that f**king pretentious enough for you? damn it i piss myself off sometimes!!!
i'm not even going to change it. i am going to leave what i said unchanged, as a warning to others.
I don't know from glitch so I can't vote.
I love Jack's music, but wtf is similar?
I live in isolation from these things; I'm really not being sarcastic.
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- KVRist
- 116 posts since 4 Mar, 2006 from South of France
Dumb poll 
.:darl_chenu:.
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- KVRAF
- 1811 posts since 18 Jan, 2005 from Lost in the blinding whiteness of the tundra
Voted 'stagnant.' Various thoughts though:
1) I agree that, glitch isn't really a genre so much as a technique these days. Originally when the only people doing it were the serious eggheaded experimentalists it kind of made sense as a genre, but when you've got stuff as wide ranging as Fennesz, the Soft Pink Truth and some of the borderline breakcore stuff, it doesn't really make sense to think of it as a unified thing.
2) Part of the reason that glitch gets a bad rep is that for a lot of people there's still novelty in the actual sounds and the sounds are still associated with the idea of experimentation, so for a lot of people a tune will sound interesting if it has dBlue Glitch whacked on the drums, even if there's no idea at all about creating an atmosphere or a feeling or conveying emotion or anything like that. Hence you get loads of glitch that isn't very interesting, so the whole sound gets a bit boring by association.
1) I agree that, glitch isn't really a genre so much as a technique these days. Originally when the only people doing it were the serious eggheaded experimentalists it kind of made sense as a genre, but when you've got stuff as wide ranging as Fennesz, the Soft Pink Truth and some of the borderline breakcore stuff, it doesn't really make sense to think of it as a unified thing.
2) Part of the reason that glitch gets a bad rep is that for a lot of people there's still novelty in the actual sounds and the sounds are still associated with the idea of experimentation, so for a lot of people a tune will sound interesting if it has dBlue Glitch whacked on the drums, even if there's no idea at all about creating an atmosphere or a feeling or conveying emotion or anything like that. Hence you get loads of glitch that isn't very interesting, so the whole sound gets a bit boring by association.
It's a rave, Lewis!
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- KVRAF
- 2135 posts since 12 Jul, 2004 from Brave New World
then don't worry about the fads. do something, learn from it, move on. I think the point has been hashed to death on this board: nothing is experimental after its been done the first time.JackDark wrote:Long story short, it boils down to the fact that all electro-subgenres have an expiration date... that's how I feel. I am always looking for something new and futuristic
so glitch was new. it was futuristic. it was your experiment. at this point you decide a) its over - time to move on to your next experiment or b) f**k it - I really like this and I'm going to stick with it. but whatever you decide should be based on your own personal feelings and not the consensus of a bunch of strangers on a message board.
I mean look at the Rolling Stones. they should have given up decades ago but they enjoy what they're doing so they stick with it.
and I don't know what any of this has to do with other people's plug-ins, but if its all a ruse to get your ass kissed for being on-the-ball years ago with glitch plugs then just say so. you deserve the respect.
"Duct tape is like the force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together...." -Carl Zwanzig
