KVR Audio

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:41 am

ver 0.95

yep, it become a little heavy app.
sorry for poor documentation. may be difficult to use. (wooden knob sample below use 7layers. small-scale points + big-scale points + blackcircle + gear shape + sphere + texture + indicator)

* many parameters for primitives added.
* layer's shadow/highlight parameter added

http://www.g200kg.com/software/knobman095.zip

samples:

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:19 am

request : a proper colour picker...

duncanparsons · Post by **duncanparsons** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:21 am

This is turning into a fab tool!

What could be nice, esp for 'debugging' knobs, is a provision for naming the layers. I was looking through the wood effect example - it's excellent, but it took a bit of looking to find how the wood was done (very clever, btw

). To have a 'basic sphere' and 'wood grain' label would be fantastic.

Also being able to reorder layers could be useful, for instance trying out whether getting a line to sit on top of a shadow or beneath it looks better. I've had that with some of my GIMP'd knobs. I've found that at larger sizes the pointer looks better following going 'under' the shadow as in real life, but for smaller knobs, sitting on top of the shadow aids clarity. [hang on! just found it's there!!!!]

thx for sharing.

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spacedad · Post by **spacedad** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:42 am

they look great! not got much time atm,but looking fwd to trying it out.
thanks!

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:54 am

bug(ish) report

- the sliders seem to get more and more non-responsive, if you set the number of frames and output bitmap size quite high. it would seem the app is trying to do redraws for every frame for each position the slider passes through (or something).

(*) to the point of total unresponsiveness at 31 frames of 128x128 pixels on this AMD XP3200.

duncanparsons · Post by **duncanparsons** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:59 am

Confirmation of WR's report. I was finding this as well, also I accidentally set the width to 500, and it took ages to sort itself out.

Maybe allow a 0.25-0.5 sec wait for slider initiated redraw, but instant with typed [apart from sizes (!)- wait when they are changed]. When a change is detected, start the timer. With any subsequent change restart the timer. When the timerproc exeutes, kill it ready for a fresh restart. Just a suggestion.

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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:10 pm

request : 'duplicate layer' function

(oh, and btw, thanks a lot for this tool. much appreciated).

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:32 pm

Really nice tool. Many thx.

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:53 pm

thanks for comments.

yep, there is the performance problem

now I recommend to set size small and number-of-frames small when you are designing.
hmm... the right pane had better be a layers assembled preview instead of the final rendering.

How much size(pixel) of knobs do you normally design?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:56 pm

g200kg wrote: How much size(pixel) of knobs do you normally design?

Ive been trying 31/63 frames of 128x128 pixel bitmaps; I typically do bitmaps 4x 'oversampled', for reducing (in this case to 32x32) in Photoshop.

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:20 pm

g200kg wrote:hmm... the right pane had better be a layers assembled preview instead of the final rendering.

no, plese don't. It's nice to be able to see what the actual output really will look like.

How much size(pixel) of knobs do you normally design?

right now I'm working on a 18x18 knob. Although the final file needs 61, while working on it I reduce the amount of images to 5.

I just can't describe how nice this little tool is.

Skinning has now become 100x more fun.

duncanparsons · Post by **duncanparsons** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:21 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
g200kg wrote: How much size(pixel) of knobs do you normally design?
Ive been trying 31/63 frames of 128x128 pixel bitmaps; I typically do bitmaps 4x 'oversampled', for reducing (in this case to 32x32) in Photoshop.

Me2, only using GIMP (OSS atcha, Sean!)

g200kg · Post by **g200kg** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:55 pm

hmm... okay.
anyway i will try to improve the response even if the right pane refresh is slow.

duncanparsons · Post by **duncanparsons** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:11 pm

Either that or put it in a separate thread, then the keyboard/mouse can carry on, and you just post updates to the thread which rerenders

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TRN76 · Post by **TRN76** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:28 pm

Keep up the good work g200kg, as this tool sure have evolved into something really usefull!

KnobMan, the VSTGUI AnimationKnob bitmap generator