Yet another VCS3 clone (free)

[Locus M]

3 - Not only do i get stuck notes that refuse to go away, i actually get a lagged and stuttering delay between pressing play, and the actual playing back of whats in the piano roll. This is for both versions tested.

It ends up being pretty much unusable which is a real shame because I know I have a lot of fun with Ele's version, and I'd like to give yours a real shot (i did test it of course and it sounds pretty neat.)

Anyway, hope some of this helps. You've got a real gem in your hands if you can iron it out

The envelope shaper on this thing is a recycler, thus if you want to have a normal envelope that do not recycle, you will have to turn the "off" knob to its max in the evelope shaper section. Otherwise it will recycle and that sounds like the notes get stuck

If the off knob bottom is turned to or near minimum, you can start a recycle by playing a note "stacatto" , if you want to stop it again, play it "legato" (keep the key down). Try this and see if that is the problem.

otherwise it might be problems in the patching of the sounds, at least I do not get the effect you are describing


Best Regards

[ninecows]

It looks nice.
Its very buggy in FL though (i've tried both the standard "effect" version and the cubase vsti) as well as an enormous CPU hog.

Anyway, I did try it in energyXTCore with some limited success (i'll actually chalk most of that up to the fact that i don't know/like XTs interface) however some notes

1 - CPU seems huge, and it spikes a lot.
2 - Stuck notes!
3 - Not only do i get stuck notes that refuse to go away, i actually get a lagged and stuttering delay between pressing play, and the actual playing back of whats in the piano roll. This is for both versions tested.

Hmmm... sounds strange to me. I think its host and/or system dependent then. What system are you using? And what about drivers? ASIO or something else?

I've seen some heavy CPU loads while building the synth in synth edit, but once its "compiled" as a VST(i) it very rarely goes beyond 4-7% CPU when loaded in Reaper. If I really push it, like making a very complex patching with loads of reverb and delay and "feeding" the synth with a very fast sequence it can go higher, and I onced managed to make Reaper choke on it that way...

I'm running it on a AMD Athlon X2 +4200 system with 1 GB ram and ASIO drivers. Not the fastest system around, but hopefully the synth should be able to run on less than that.

The stuck notes thing sounds very strange to me too. I've never seen this behaviour, but if its behaving like that its not good enough! Could you provide a patch that triggers this behaviour or just a screen-shot of settings and matrix routings? Then I'll have a look at it.

If anybody else sees the same things please feel free to chime in. Now that I made the synth available to the public my main concern is to make it as good as possible

That said, I'm not a professionel software developer, so I have limited time to work on this one. So far I've only tested it in Reaper as I cant afford to pay a lot of money for hosts (Cubase, Sonar etc). Besides that my programming skills are... well But I'll try my best to solve it of course

[ninecows]

3 - Not only do i get stuck notes that refuse to go away, i actually get a lagged and stuttering delay between pressing play, and the actual playing back of whats in the piano roll. This is for both versions tested.

It ends up being pretty much unusable which is a real shame because I know I have a lot of fun with Ele's version, and I'd like to give yours a real shot (i did test it of course and it sounds pretty neat.)

Anyway, hope some of this helps. You've got a real gem in your hands if you can iron it out

The envelope shaper on this thing is a recycler, thus if you want to have a normal envelope that do not recycle, you will have to turn the "off" knob to its max in the evelope shaper section. Otherwise it will recycle and that sounds like the notes get stuck

Yup I suspected it could be something like this too. You might wanna take a look at that one datapark.

Thanks Hskovlund

[ninecows]

Just tested it in the demo version of energyXT2, and so far it seems fine. My time right now is limited, so I'll have to do some more testing the next couple of days (and learn how to use energyXT2 )

Please let me know if you solve the problems or run into more

[datapark]

I'm running an intel dual core, 1 gig of ram, using a Novation NIO (ASIO, and latency is set at 10 right now. i tried increasing it but it didn't help. of course its top latency is 20, so its hard to judge. i could test it out on my SBLive card... gimme a sec. nope)



Anyway.
I'm guessing this is just an extreme case of synthedit since you've got so many modules stuffed in this beaut.
My lowly system simply has trouble with it, I'm assuming.

I did follow your advice on the stuck notes, and you were right (i think, i can't recall my settings yesterday)

I still get the stuttering start though, although now that the repeater isn't running, you don't hear any notes, its simply a delay in between pressing play and the track actually running.


BTW, I also tested in reaper, and the same stutter start is there as well as in FL & XT.

[stevehayes]

hi, i have the ninecows putney software and am having technical problem. can anyone help?
i have used fxpansion software to convert it to rtas and use in protools, the synth gets converted and opens in PT, but i can get no audio out..any ideas?
thanks
steve

[Locus M]

hi, i have the ninecows putney software and am having technical problem. can anyone help?
i have used fxpansion software to convert it to rtas and use in protools, the synth gets converted and opens in PT, but i can get no audio out..any ideas?
thanks
steve

Could be a problem of conversion and thus beyond me, but if you are using the small version be aware that the matrix settings of the original patches were lost when Ninecows made it. Thus it will not say anything untill you activate the matrix. If the matrix is all "black holes" and no green and red lights, this is the problem. If so, try the large version or try to manually reconstruct the patch from the frontpage of the manual to get you started.

Best Regards

[Midiworks]

There's also this stupid multicore bug in synthedit, causing crashes if you load to copies of the same synth in your host, so I thougt different ID's could work around that.

The real workaround is quite easy.
Simply copy the xxx.dll and change the name to xxx2.dll ect.
Best keep them in a main folder (xxx).
No different ID's.


Rene

[Locus M]

There's also this stupid multicore bug in synthedit, causing crashes if you load to copies of the same synth in your host, so I thougt different ID's could work around that.

The real workaround is quite easy.
Simply copy the xxx.dll and change the name to xxx2.dll ect.
Best keep them in a main folder (xxx).
No different ID's.


Rene

thanks midiworks, though you are not quoting me but Ninecows I think. Thanks anyway!

[ninecows]

Hi everyone

I'm pretty busy these days (and have been for like a month now). Got a new job, had to move and had not internet for 3 weeks (:shock:) All this is more or less over now Hopefully I will be able to take a few days off soon and build a "final" version with:

- only one GUI-size (not too small, not too big).
- a VSTi and a VST version (the VST will also work as a synth in some hosts)
- (some of) the requests mentioned in this thread - especially phase modulation (0-180 degrees) and sync to "note on" of each OSC
- the length of the gate signal entering the matrix can be adjusted, so instead of giving a pulse of length corresponding to the time you press the key, the pulse can be shortened to a length down to 0.1 s. The "normal" gate pulse will still control the envelope shaper as usual and this new function can be disabled by turning the new knob to max (just like the on-time in the envelope shaper)*
- more presets, including those I already got from Hskovlund (thanks )

Sorry for not replying and being so slow at getting this version out... I'm still alive and will make it... some day

If you got more ideas please let me know. You're not forgotten

Cheers
Ninecows

*actually you can already achieve this by sending the gate to the delay, invert it and then add the delayed and inversed gate signal to the original in the matrix (but then all the delay is doing is delaying a DC signal, which is really a waste of CPU-power and a nice delay)

[Locus M]

Hi NineCows
Long time no see. Glad you are almost there, I look forward to the new version. If you want some more presets, I could make a few more during this week and send you in the weekend or whenever you give a signal. Just give me a hint and I am at it.

Best Regards

[Farakeys]

Great News ninecows!!!

As you probably know, most of us are very excited and just can't wait for the final version...

...But we do know that coding always requires quite a bit of work to get things finished (often, more than we plan/want).
Take as long as you need to finish it (err... not TOO Long... )
We just have to thank you for making it, and making it free...

Thank you very much!

Best,

Farakeys.

[ninecows]

Hi there

I think I got the scaling right now. It took me a whole weekend to scale the knobs correctly (!), so before I start on the 320 pins in the matrix, I would like to hear if you like the new dimensions. Go to http://www.nigo.dk/junk/putney-test.bmp for a screen-shot, and make sure your browser doesn't scale the picture. The file is a bit large (1.5 MB) so it might take a while to load.

Not everything is done yet - I'm working on a nicer looking joystick, switches and matrix pins (using povray), so just worry about the dimensions

I'll work on the functions and "inside" of the synth while you guys cast your votes on the icing of the cake

[S-N-S]

i like the new dimensions

[Farakeys]

I Like it Too!!
I'm using 1600x1050 in my Laptop.