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Largo demo version available!

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KVRAF
 
7785 posts since 21 Mar, 2008, from Hannover, Germany
  

Postby Ingonator; Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:53 am

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
rob_lee wrote:Not sure about the demo version but i can tell you that Largo...once up and running is perfect in Sonar 8 :)

Rob


:bang: tried installing again...keeps going to the Syncro Soft prompt...the d/l page info from Waldorf said nothing about it, indicated i would be prompted to provide the code (which i received via email), never got to that point...so i didn't try opening the VST again...

too bad, i used to have a MWII and liked it a lot, just could never get it to work with Sound Diver...


btw: does Largo allow user waves/wave tables? i have Kubik 2, i enjoy "rolling my own", although the results aren't always great, still fun...

You have to enter the activation code in the License control center (LCC) and upload it to your hard drive (without dongle) OR to you USB dongle.

manual, sounds and updates are here:
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/archive?relPath=largo

The authorization procedure is also written in the manual. And it's discussed around a thousand times in this thread...
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KVRist
 
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Postby Megakazbek; Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:56 am

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:uh, do you need a dongle to run the demo?

when i installed the demo, it seemed to want to install a Syncro Soft license...i tried to launch the VST in Sonar 8, and a plug in scan caused the DAW to lock up after no license was found...i have the email with the code, but never got to the point where i had to enter it...

No, you don't need a dongle, but you need Syncrosoft License Control Center. Syncrosoft != dongle, it has non-dongled protection too, which Largo uses (it can use dongle too, but it's purely optional)
You have to install LCC and then download a license into it using the code provided to you in email.
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Postby Chuck E. Jesus; Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:56 am

Ingonator wrote:The authorization procedure is also written in the manual. And it's discussed around a thousand times in this thread...


thanks, sorry to make it around 1001...
i got the moves like Wyman...
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KVRAF
 
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Postby Ingonator; Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:14 am

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
Ingonator wrote:The authorization procedure is also written in the manual. And it's discussed around a thousand times in this thread...


thanks, sorry to make it around 1001...

No problem, i guess someone at Waldorf should write a manual only for the activation procedure.
BTW when the License control center (LCC) from Syncrosoft (now eLicenser: http://www.elicenser.net/en/ ) is installed (normally automatic with Largo, DON'T cancel the installation here !!) you could find a documentation in the Syncrosoft/eLicenser folder (or windows programs menu). One document is a step by step tutorial for uploading licenses. Even if it's written in the tutorial you don't need a dongle (but it works better with IMHO)!! You need an internet connection while you authorize via the LCC.

When your LCC doesn't work, download and install the one from the eLicenser homepage. One time the LCC which was installed with a synth didn't work in my case so i installed it seperately.

UPDATE: link for the LCC Quick start guide (pdf): http://www.manualnguide.com/dl-share/28/
If you have no dongle a different symbol (like a computer chip) should appear as a protection device. This represents your hard disk.
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Postby Chuck E. Jesus; Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:28 am

got it running, thanks again...


first thing i learned: my measly P4 3.0 is simply not up to the task :hihi:

EDIT: a little more messing about: i like it, good sound, very easy to program (haven't looked at the manual yet, that's a good thing )...honestly though, they'd have to add user waves for me to consider buying it, that's just me...
i got the moves like Wyman...
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Postby Ingonator; Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:37 am

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:got it running, thanks again...


first thing i learned: my measly P4 3.0 is simply not up to the task :hihi:

EDIT: a little more messing about: i like it, good sound, very easy to program (haven't looked at the manual yet, that's a good thing )...honestly though, they'd have to add user waves for me to consider buying it, that's just me...

Largo has all ROM wavetables from the Waldorf Blofeld, Q, Wave, Microwave 1/II/XT and the PPG Wave 2.3. For me that's enough for the moment. :)


BTW i layered a Largo pad (from my PPG bank) with Alchemy and Sylenth1 and i
can say that Largo cuts very well through the mix.
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Postby musikmachine; Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:40 am

soundpalace wrote:It seems like a nice size to me, no larger than VC or Massive, Im running 1280x800 for my DAW. I've written to Waldorf asking about the slow GUI, it's almost impossible to use like this, I feel like I'm on a Pentium II :)

It does lack one important thing for me though, a hypersaw type wave. But apart from that, it's a really sweet sounding unit, definitely worth $300, but can you buy it online for Waldorf as a download?

It is larger than massive! :P
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Postby Krakatau; Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:04 am

musikmachine wrote:It is larger than massive! :P


huge philosophical assertion i may admit


:pray: :clap: :pray:


("huge" that is bigger than..?)

:phew:
KVRAF
 
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Postby polyslax; Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:20 pm

Ingonator wrote:Largo has all ROM wavetables from the Waldorf Blofeld, Q, Wave, Microwave 1/II/XT and the PPG Wave 2.3.


Interesting, that's something I was wondering about. So Largo actually has a bigger set of wavetables than Blofeld?
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Postby musikmachine; Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:18 pm

polyslax wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Largo has all ROM wavetables from the Waldorf Blofeld, Q, Wave, Microwave 1/II/XT and the PPG Wave 2.3.


Interesting, that's something I was wondering about. So Largo actually has a bigger set of wavetables than Blofeld?

No it's the same number of wavetables. Largo has the sub oscillators though.
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Postby musikmachine; Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:31 pm

Krakatau wrote:
musikmachine wrote:It is larger than massive! :P


huge philosophical assertion i may admit


:pray: :clap: :pray:


("huge" that is bigger than..?)

:phew:

:hihi:
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Postby Igro; Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:34 pm

bmanic wrote:Anyhow, the synth GUI is extremely sluggish on my laptop


Hi, bmanic!
When at first i started the knobs tweaking, i found they just jumping and it was really hard to manipulate with them. I thought GUI is too slow. But in common mode i found "Control mode":

Control Mode:
Determines the mouse control for editing knobs in Largo:
• Auto uses the settings of your host application. Please
refer to the corresponding manual of your host
application.
• Circular lets the knob control behave like a real knob.
Click on the knob, hold down the left mouse button
and drag the mouse around the dial in a circle to
change values.
• Linear is an alternative knob control. Click on the
knob, hold down the left mouse button and drag the
mouse up or down to change the value. The knob
reacts like a fader.
w We recommend the settings Auto or Linear.


Take a "liner" mode and knobs tweaking procedure is much better.
Yes, it's still bit slow( you see it when tweaking cutoff which is animate in small window), but i think by this, Waldorf tried to reduce CPU load, which is still better than lower the modulation update rate to reduce CPU loading(hence to killing all the snappiness of the envelopes).
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Postby Ingonator; Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:31 pm

polyslax wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Largo has all ROM wavetables from the Waldorf Blofeld, Q, Wave, Microwave 1/II/XT and the PPG Wave 2.3.


Interesting, that's something I was wondering about. So Largo actually has a bigger set of wavetables than Blofeld?

Not really. The wavetables were almost identical in all Waldorf hardware synths. Besides the Alt1 and Alt2 from the Q almost all wavetables were already contained in the Waldorf Wave. Around the first half was contained in the PPG Wave.
You could check the wavetables of the Waldorf Wave here: http://www.unofficial.waldorf-wave.de/
Click on the link at the left side. If you click on a small picture of any wavetable you get a big picture including the wavetable name. If you compare it to Largo you see they are identical.

FFT analysis of Microwave II waves, not the wavetables. The wavetable contains pointers to the waves.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hkwad/waldorf/romwaves.html
First 27 wavetables of the Micowave II:
http://www.carbon111.com/xtwavetables.html
All PPG Wave wavetables with pictures for each wave: http://www.seib.synth.net/documents/PPGWTbl.pdf


Only the Q had only two wavetables (Alt1 and Alt2) which makes him the worst wavetable synth of the Waldorf range.

The big difference of the Microwave II/XT was that you could make your own wavetables too.

UPDATE: I recognized that the important downloads for Largo are now shown at the right side of the Largo product page and not only in the archives.
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/products/largo
other downloads:
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/archive?relPath=largo
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"Analog vs Digital" for Blofeld
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Postby Ingonator; Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:42 am

Ingonator wrote:I just found a failure in the two factory banks which i made from the single patches. That banks were published at Waldorf yesterday.

I made the banks with MiniHost using the"import filenames" function. In contrary to the "normal" Largo patches the categories were contained in the soundname. This way on some patches some strange symbols could be seen at the end.
I fixed this today and sent the files to Wolfram Franke again. In that version the categories are no longer contained in the soundname but you see it in the cstegory field of the Largo browser. The patches are still sorted by categories.


:!: :!:
The two corrected/updated bank files (fxb) for the factory sounds are on the Waldorf page now:
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/de/archiv?re ... rgo/sounds

They no longer have the category at the beginning of the soundname but are still sorted by category which could be seen in Largos display (right part of the display).
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"Atmospheric Transients" for PPG Wave 3.V
"Analog vs Digital" for Blofeld
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7196 posts since 3 Feb, 2003, from Finland, Espoo

Postby bmanic; Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:44 am

Igro wrote:
bmanic wrote:Anyhow, the synth GUI is extremely sluggish on my laptop


Hi, bmanic!
When at first i started the knobs tweaking, i found they just jumping and it was really hard to manipulate with them. I thought GUI is too slow. But in common mode i found "Control mode":

Control Mode:
Determines the mouse control for editing knobs in Largo:
• Auto uses the settings of your host application. Please
refer to the corresponding manual of your host
application.
• Circular lets the knob control behave like a real knob.
Click on the knob, hold down the left mouse button
and drag the mouse around the dial in a circle to
change values.
• Linear is an alternative knob control. Click on the
knob, hold down the left mouse button and drag the
mouse up or down to change the value. The knob
reacts like a fader.
w We recommend the settings Auto or Linear.


Take a "liner" mode and knobs tweaking procedure is much better.
Yes, it's still bit slow( you see it when tweaking cutoff which is animate in small window), but i think by this, Waldorf tried to reduce CPU load, which is still better than lower the modulation update rate to reduce CPU loading(hence to killing all the snappiness of the envelopes).


It has nothing to do with this. The GUI is SLUGGISH, meaning, it is slow. When I drag an envelope node, it feels like my computer suddenly uses 99% CPU and gets slightly stuck. Same thing when I switch pages.. for instance from the Common page to the Envelopes page. Instead of switching immediately it feels sluggish and takes nearly a full second to happen! If I quickly press multiple page buttons I manage to light up about 4 buttons before the page has flipped.

Cheers!
bManic
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