KVR Audio

Nice2b · Post by **Nice2b** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:38 pm

I think I'm going for the KRK Rokit RP6 as I read good reviews about it and they are within my price range. Or is 5 inch enough?
Will be my first monitors, so advice would be nice

JediMind · Post by **JediMind** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:15 pm

Few things to point out:

Before buying your first pair of monitors, make sure you manage to give them a close inspection and check that everything sounds right and clear.

Now, about size. AFAIK, for bigger monitors you need bigger rooms (I have no idea on what the numbers look like here, but it's obvious you're not gonna use an 8" pair in the bathroom!)

For starting out, I think 5" is fairly decent.

The KRK's has been getting mostly positive reviews, even though some of the negative ones are due to KRK's bad choice of coloring, *ahem*

j_brady · Post by **j_brady** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:22 pm

Ive heard people actually recommending the 5" KRK's for a flatter response, because the 8" have a "too boomy" low end. I havnt tried them though so Im not sure how true that is.
And smaller monitors are obviously better for smaller rooms...

Although I cant really talk, I need a much bigger room for my Yamaha HS80's, or at least not such a wierdly shaped one

JediMind · Post by **JediMind** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:28 pm

j_brady wrote:Although I cant really talk, I need a much bigger room for my Yamaha HS80's, or at least not such a wierdly shaped one

Oh, I'm in the same situation with my PM2s

I hope that where I'm moving it'll be okay.

But seriously, anybody got the numbers as to how big a room should be for 8" monitors?

My estimation is 35-40sqm.

yellowfever · Post by **yellowfever** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:48 pm

Nice2b wrote:I think I'm going for the KRK Rokit RP6

I believe KVR member tehlord has got these; you may want to PM him

SparkySpark · Post by **SparkySpark** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:27 am

Hi,

Ibefore you're going with KRK monitors without listening to them (?!), take a look at my posts here http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 00#2989300 (and perhaps some of the other posts in that thread). In short, I've auditioned all brand name monitors in this price range and went with the Behringer 2030. In fact, it's the piece of gear I've been most satisfied with over the years. You can never go wrong with Genelec either, but you'll pay much more.

Happy hunting!

/SparkySpark

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:50 am

Also you may wanna check out the Stanton ATM 6 which apparently is the krk rp6 rebranded which i bought and paid full price for!

DeepFiber · Post by **DeepFiber** » Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:03 pm

JediMind wrote: Now, about size. AFAIK, for bigger monitors you need bigger rooms (I have no idea on what the numbers look like here, but it's obvious you're not gonna use an 8" pair in the bathroom!)

j_brady wrote: And smaller monitors are obviously better for smaller rooms...

Can anyone of you actually explain why it is like that and if this is actually true or just something you guys heard somewhere.

I'm all ears and I have a different opinion.

Thrax · Post by **Thrax** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:42 pm

It has always been my understanding that larger speakers are able to reproduce lower frequencies better, but as the speaker size increases, they are less able to reproduce higher frequencies.

Unfortunately, sound frequencies bounce around a room causing muddying of the sound. This effect gets worse for smaller rooms due to the fact there is less 'stuff' in the small room to absorb the sound waves. Lower frequencies will typically bounce around a room more easily than higher frequencies.

The way to combat this problem is to accoustically treat the room to reduce reflections, or to use smaller speakers which produce less bass frequencies.
Less bass reproduction by a smaller speaker therefore reduces the problem of room reflection of these lower frequencies.

Therefore because most normal folk don't normally go out and acoustically treat their small living room etc, smaller speakers (less capable of lower frequency reproduction) are usually recommended.

DeepFiber · Post by **DeepFiber** » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:07 pm

That kinda defeats the purpose of a "monitor" then doesnt it? You are willing to trade off bass because of the room gain. The room is the problem not the speakers.

If a big speaker produce 90dB @ 50Hz it would excite the room just as much as a small one would at 90dB/50Hz. If you dont want bass you can always turn it down on big speakers, but if you have no bass to begin with what do you do then?

If your speakers have no bass you can not judge the bass content of your sons, then the speaker stops being a monitor imo. If you have 2 5,25" woofers that are producing 90dB @ 80Hz and compare that to 80 21" woofers producing 90dB @ 80Hz they move the same amount of air to make the same pressure (in Pascals) in the room, only difference is, with the small speakers you dont have any deep bass.

The choices are: big speakers with bass, and a boomy room,
or small speakers with no bass, same boomy room but now percieved less boomy because you just eliminated the deep bass. I dont think any of the alternatives are good ones but you can always turn the bass down to get the exact same result as with a smaller speaker, but you cant really turn it up on the small ones since they are'nt even designed to deliver any deep bass (they cant even produce those frequencies at all) + they start distorting like hell really quick if you turn it up.

I dont know about you guys but I fail to see getting smaller speakers with less lowend as the solution to standing waves in the room, change room or position in the room I'd say, get basstraps or whatever, but thats just my opinion I guess.

Btw bass freqs are omnidirectional, they spread like rings on water.

There is a ton of info on acoustics
http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoust ... 1-Mod.html
http://www.bobgolds.com/Mode/RoomModes.htm
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec07/a ... ustics.htm
http://www.mcsquared.com/metricmodes.htm
http://www.marktaw.com/recording/Acoust ... Calcu.html
http://blog.tunecore.com/2010/01/diy-ac ... field.html
http://www.audioholics.com/education/ac ... -fisherman
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/bass-tra ... -foam-etc/

deaf dunderkwac · Post by **deaf dunderkwac** » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:26 am

"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it."

OMG we are so scewed

robindrieghe · Post by **robindrieghe** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:44 am

1)avoid m-audio bx5a bx7a,they color alot,even the new deluxes.maybe good for dj'ing but...they break all the time,alot of them comes back for repair.ALOT.

2)yamaha hs50m hs80m : buildquality is good,but very agressive high.destroys your ears afer 2 hours and you'll need to do something else then for a while.

lockheart · Post by **lockheart** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:40 pm

Are "monitors" those thick box-like things which the sounds comes out of, or those thin rectangular things which the images appear on?

Thank you.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:03 pm

Both, just don't get them confused.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:20 pm

The video one is how you monitor what the computer is doing. The audio ones are how you monitor that status of your mix/sounds. Same concept, different human sense involved.

the joys of human ambiguity and the need for context. If you think english is bad check out Japanese. Now that's one seriously context-sensitive language.

Finally, to keep this post kinda-sorta on-topic I'll throw in my vote for the Tascam (audio) monitor line as an excellent budget 5" and 8" purchase option. I own both the older vl-x5s and the newer vl-a8s. IMO well-worth checking out in their respective price ranges. I think they are head and shoulders above the M-Audio and Behringer stuff that seem to be popular in the low-end price bracket.

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