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Lying Low · Post by **Lying Low** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:43 am

I have never opened up synthedit but I am starting to dabble in reaktor and am curious how straight forward it would be to rebuild an average/typical reaktor patch in synthedit

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:59 pm

Pretty easy actually if you can translate the numerical values to the SE volts value. What you won't get are Reaktors great oscillators, filters, chorus, etc...
You can build it - but they won't come...

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:39 pm

easier with the se sdk

jobromedia · Post by **jobromedia** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:55 pm

Note that choruses as well as reverbs are delay effects. You need a lot of work to translate these to get them into SynthEdit, but they won't sound as good as the Reaktor counterparts do.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:38 pm

why not? bits are bits. if you coded the reaktor elements, you could code the synthedit sems and get the same sound.

guitarbro · Post by **guitarbro** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:39 pm

As i understand Reaktor has alot more standard/specialized Modules(or what ever they are called in Reaktor), so unless you know C++ and the SE SDK it would be pretty hard.
My recommendation is to get some time with SE then start trying to translate them.

GaryG · Post by **GaryG** » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:50 pm

guitarbro wrote:As i understand Reaktor has alot more standard/specialized Modules(or what ever they are called in Reaktor), so unless you know C++ and the SE SDK it would be pretty hard.

have to be a wiz at DSP programming too I reckon...

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 1:32 pm

The choruses & reverbs in Reaktor are standalone modules. You just insert & hook them up. In SE, they are torturous things -at least the choruses are. There's no chorus.sem so you have to hook up a bunch of LFO's & delays and it eats a lot of CPU.
I suggest you Google 'Sound On Sound Chorus', and read that article on how to make a good sounding chorus.
I haven't found a really decent filter for SE.

antto · Post by **antto** » Thu Sep 09, 2010 2:31 pm

just use the SDK

mztk · Post by **mztk** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:07 pm

have question at this point:
when you use a 3rd party/SDK module in SE, the plugin produces this module
in the plugin folder at first load, right?
(and judging by posts i've seen, there is a limit to how many modules can be loaded?)
this always seems 'messy'; VST SDK plugins don't do this.

so, if you can code, why would you want to do your end project in SE? and not just
go the whole hog in VST SDK? ( apart from SE work environment ) just curious.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:14 pm

mztk wrote:so, if you can code, why would you want to do your end project in SE? and not just go the whole hog in VST SDK? ( apart from SE work environment ) just curious.

because it'd be the difference between writing a few bits of DSP code that fit in a proven framework, and writing and debugging everything from graphics code to patchfile parsing to voice-handling yadda yadda, lots of it from scratch?

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:00 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
mztk wrote:so, if you can code, why would you want to do your end project in SE? and not just go the whole hog in VST SDK? ( apart from SE work environment ) just curious.
because it'd be the difference between writing a few bits of DSP code that fit in a proven framework, and writing and debugging everything from graphics code to patchfile parsing to voice-handling yadda yadda, lots of it from scratch?

+1

If the tools are already there why not use them? No sense beating your head in reinventing the wheel--

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:17 pm

osiris wrote:The choruses & reverbs in Reaktor are standalone modules. You just insert & hook them up. In SE, they are torturous things -at least the choruses are. There's no chorus.sem so you have to hook up a bunch of LFO's & delays and it eats a lot of CPU.
I suggest you Google 'Sound On Sound Chorus', and read that article on how to make a good sounding chorus.
I haven't found a really decent filter for SE.

Chorus is the easiest thing: LFO+Delay
Also there are many 3rd party modules like filters, choruses etc. for Synthedit:
http://www.numerisson.com/novaflash/syn ... ources.htm

Doing it right, SE can sound as good as Reaktor.

Chorusdemo
Filterdemo
Synthdemo

antto · Post by **antto** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:35 pm

yeah, SE handles the VST communication for me, and the GUI stuff
so i do my own midi processing, file parsing, dsp, all kinds of things which don't scare me
but VST SDK and mostly WINAPI scares the sh** out of me
oh and i do all of that in a "modular" way, so it's simple ;]

mztk · Post by **mztk** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:04 pm

wondering how feasible, in that case, it is to
translate a SE file into a VST SDK plugin.

translating a ensemble into synthedit