Perceived Bus Send Volume in Ableton Live 8 vs Logic 9

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For those of you who use both Ableton Live 8.2.x and Logic 9.1.x:

I've noticed that the output (volume, level, pick a term) of a Bus Send effect in Live is much lower than Logic. This is kind of frustrating. Since I'm new to Live, I was wondering if there's some preference I'm missing, something I need to change?

Clarifying:
- Set up an effect as a Bus Send on both of these DAWs... try a 3rd party plugin that you own... let's say, VahallaRoom or Shimmer, or Audio Damage EOS in my case.
- Setting the effects to 100% wet, of course
- Leave the effect channel's level at 0db in both DAWs (default)
- Just pump a loop through your send channel, turn the appropriate Bus Send knob, and listen. Why does, say, 10 o'clock worth of effect in Live not sound live 10 o'clock worth in Logic? Heck, 3-o-clock in Live sounds like 12-o-clock in Logic.

This is so frustrating for me personally, since I'm finding I can't get the washes of verb I use via in Logic/Mainstage, per channel. Live doesn't seem to have the same Bus Send Level, or Bus Channel output or... something's missing.

A little help here? :help:

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Levels may be scaled differently. I don't know off hand but it's possible that the max gain for a send in Live is 0dB while in Logic it could be something like +6 or +12dB. I could be wrong though.

This is one of those things where it's better to use your ears to match levels, rather than visual cues.

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Yeah, the sends in Logic are scaled from -58dB to +6db, in Live they are scaled from -70dB to 0dB. You could put a Utility plug on your return track in Live and set the Gain to +6 to get closer to Logic's scaling but it still won't be perfect.

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ok... thought as much... thanks all!

(I'm not crazy! Awesome)

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