Waves Tune vs AutoTune vs Melodyne?

[lfm]

Hi

Now with Waves plugins being hot I'm looking at pitch correcting.

How does Waves Tune plugins standup to competitors?

One thing about Melodyne that seems to cause problem is that it does not operate on the audiodata on the track, but somehow copies this and processes.

It seem not to work that well with Sonar running in a loop. Sonar loops and Melodyne just continue where it was.

AutoTune I read is a bitch to work with. Very cumbersome.


But how do they standup in your view with Waves Tune?
(full version not the LE in most bundles).

Thanks.

[Lenticular]

I prefer Melodyne, never had problems with it in X1. I tried using Waves a few years ago but it never seemed to function easily & would either crash/ freeze Sonar.
Maybe different now in v9 / x64 though.

[lfm]

I prefer Melodyne, never had problems with it in X1. I tried using Waves a few years ago but it never seemed to function easily & would either crash/ freeze Sonar.
Maybe different now in v9 / x64 though.

Thanks.

You don't miss not being able to run a loop over and over?

I felt that was a turnoff somehow, since I imagine to work over a problem spot like that and listen until it sounds alright.

Or did they do something to X1d that fixes that?

Or can you set a marker, and just go to previous marker over and over by a simple keypress - and Melodyne can follow that?

[Lenticular]

I prefer Melodyne, never had problems with it in X1. I tried using Waves a few years ago but it never seemed to function easily & would either crash/ freeze Sonar.
Maybe different now in v9 / x64 though.

Thanks.

You don't miss not being able to run a loop over and over?

I felt that was a turnoff somehow, since I imagine to work over a problem spot like that and listen until it sounds alright.

Or did they do something to X1d that fixes that?

Or can you set a marker, and just go to previous marker over and over by a simple keypress - and Melodyne can follow that?

I see your point, I don't loop when editing.

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[lfm]

that's weird, it says it is compatible with logic 9 but logic does definitely NOT support 64 bit rewire... hmm....

I am surprised they didn't re engineer it to not rely on rewire for sync, like a melodyne bridge kind of thing.

In any case, the plug in is old and i still laugh sometimes how good the pitch shift quality is compared to "newer" products.

OK, autotune in graphic mode - very easy to use, quick results, especially for the dreaded synth effect
Pitch quality average

Waves - pitch shift quality equal with melodyne but with vibrato tools that WORK (even the synth vibrato, best on planet) A little clunkier to use and relies on rewire

Melodyne - if you want to do harmonies and time stretch this is the only real option

Personally i'd own autotune efx, melodyne dna AND this and use them all where required depending on a strength or weakness, they are all great tools.

Thanks for very useful info.

Isn't it VST - not rewire - that works?
I'm not familiar to Mac-world.

Thinking about playing with harmonies as well, but found another Waves plugin UltraPitch to play with for that.
http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=288

I don't know how good it is yet though - just got the package a few hours ago.

I got the Waves Tune LT with the package I got - but most options are grayed kind of so was curious about full version.

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[bduffy]

Yeah, I use the Waves LT Tune all the time, it's amazing even as crippleware.

[yerusalan]

I know there only a few real pros in the world when it comes to commercial vocal tuning and as far as I know the most respected ones use Autotune and there was no substitute or at least that's what two of them told me a few years back. Melodyne sounded like shit, I tried it myself, well recorded vocal sounded like crap right after import. I've heard they improved the engine but I'm somewhat skeptical. You'd be amazed what Autotune can do if handled with care and knowledge. Those cats are highly valued in the business and charge starting from 500 Euro - nice job to pursue. AT used to correctly work only in PT back in the days (I think it was version 3 and those guys were picky about which version to use) but now I hear it works fine in Cubase too and follows, stops, rewinds in sync nicely.

[lfm]

ultrapitch is awful and can not be used for anything other than some synthetic chipmunk effects. However you can get the antares harmonizer for pretty cheap if you want something half decent.

All the grey options are the good ones lol BUT, you can hear the pitch SHIFT quality just the same in the LT version, so if you are happy with that, that's a good start.

Yes it's a VST, RTAS and AU plugin but it *syncs* to the host's transport via rewire, kind of like the plugin appears in your host like a normal one and the rewire happens behind the scenes to sync song position etc.

I played with Ultrapitch a bit, on a basstrack and there were some useful stuff for as you said - effect.

No planning on doing harmonies to sound like a choir - more like effect on voice.
I don't care for hiring vocalists all the time for demo.

We'll see...

[lfm]

Yeah, I use the Waves LT Tune all the time, it's amazing even as crippleware.

Thanks, I will give it a go. WavesUniverse is checking if there is a discount for upgrade to full version - when buying LT version in bundle.

It's always nice with options when you need them.

[bduffy]

Yeah, I use the Waves LT Tune all the time, it's amazing even as crippleware.

Thanks, I will give it a go. WavesUniverse is checking if there is a discount for upgrade to full version - when buying LT version in bundle.

It's always nice with options when you need them.

Cool, let me know if there is. I do have the very good "VariAudio" inside Cubase, but sometimes Waves Tune is better.

[lfm]

I know there only a few real pros in the world when it comes to commercial vocal tuning and as far as I know the most respected ones use Autotune and there was no substitute or at least that's what two of them told me a few years back. Melodyne sounded like shit, I tried it myself, well recorded vocal sounded like crap right after import. I've heard they improved the engine but I'm somewhat skeptical. You'd be amazed what Autotune can do if handled with care and knowledge. Those cats are highly valued in the business and charge starting from 500 Euro - nice job to pursue. AT used to correctly work only in PT back in the days (I think it was version 3 and those guys were picky about which version to use) but now I hear it works fine in Cubase too and follows, stops, rewinds in sync nicely.

Thanks.
AT is good from what I heard - but maybe cumbersome to work with and still highpriced.

There were a show on tv they took a guy for fun that could not sing anything on pitch. Recording took two minutes - fixing up the end result took almost a day for these pros.

But I heard plenty good about Melodyne as well.

Just never saw a thread over Waves Tune and was curious.

There is Roland VVocal in Sonar and I have not tried that yet either. But it does not compare to Melodyne, seem to be the verdict.

[fx1mark]

I have melodyne editor, auto tune evo and cubase 6.5, with variaudio. each is a great tool in it's own right. I personally prefer melodyne and think it's pitch correction is slighty more realistic sounding. autotune though, can be used in realtime and in capture mode, and has cool editing features in capture mode, plus is can do special affect pitch correcting that melodyne is not capable of. autotune has a steeper learning curve but really not bad. variaudio is less powerfull, editing wise, but fast and easy to use. I use all three depending on what I need.