KVR Audio

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:17 am

hakey wrote:
tehlord wrote:It's just a fairly good one with an eye-wateringly expensive dongle.
ftfy

This is what i would call an expensive dongle (no instruments included):
http://www.sonic-core.net/shop/product_ ... ITE-1.html

Ingo

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:23 am

Virus threads vs. Diva threads.

Quality comes at a price, be it $$$ or CPU cycles.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:29 am

Ingonator wrote:This is what i would call an expensive dongle (no instruments included):
http://www.sonic-core.net/shop/product_ ... ITE-1.html

Cripes!

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:32 am

mikedw wrote:can [you] replace it with the software

Short answer: Yes

Longer answer: The Virus C really was the best thing since sliced bread when it came out - great sound quality, usability and power at a time when contemporary native plugin synths, still in their infancy, were pretty crude. The idea that there was "nothing better than a Virus" had some justification.

In the intervening years plugins have equalled or bettered (mostly the latter) the Virus on every measure - flexibility, sound quality, usability, affordability...

Yet the "nothing better than a Virus" meme persists. But that is all it is, a meme.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:40 am

izonin wrote:Quality comes at a price, be it $$$ or CPU cycles.

But over time CPU cycles get cheaper, roughly halving in price every 18 months. The various incarnations of the Virus have not.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:57 am

New features (for free) have been added with every major OS update of the TI. Now you could even use the Arpeggiator pattern as a mod source so you could do some wave sequencing stuff when used with the wavetables.

The DSP power has been upgraded too when the changed from the TI to the TI2 (which was the only hardware upgrade since a very long time).

Ingo

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:05 am

Ingonator wrote:But new features (for free) have been added with every major OS update of the TI.

Yep, and new features get added to native plugins for free too - and those updates can be more frequent and add more features than the infrequent, somewhat limited updates you see with the Virus.

The innovation is in native software these days - Access are just playing catch up.

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:13 am

hakey wrote:
The innovation is in native software these days - Access are just playing cash up.

The way I see it (and I have owned a Virus Ti) is that Access need to make the Virus VST truly work the same way that any other VST does. Being able to open only one instance with only 3 outputs severely restricts it's usability imo, and it was the main reason I sold the Ti. Take that feature away and you're left with a great sounding, but fairly standard instrument.

It also needs a huge increase in DSP power to justify the cost, otherwise standard VST plugins are just so much more convenient, and equally as powerful. The Virus does have a unique flavour but i'd never buy a new one. It's just too much money.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:17 am

As usual bunch of good advices and hell lot of techgeek idiosyncratic nonsense in these kind of threads..

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:18 am

One word: Cell......

Another word: NO!

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:22 am

tehlord wrote:

It's just a really good one with a cool dongle.

Dongle:

Virus:

You're doing it wrong.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:22 am

hakey wrote: The innovation is in native software these days - Access are just playing catch up.

But if we talk purely about sound, the Virus is still way ahead of it's VSTi clones. Soundtoys' Filterfreak is the only filter that matches the quality of TI's ones. With polyphony in mind, even if Access released a Virus plug-in, you wouldn't be able to run it even on a fast machine.

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:34 am

[on second thoughts...forget it]

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:38 am

Massive, Audjoo Helix probably

You can aswel add Dune

Still Virus has some of the features and that flavor...but with mentioned VSTs you can mimic that Virus flavor.

If you want roland, get sylenth1

I have virus ti snow for few years, and still its kinda the main stynth for the main sounds.

Its core sound just gets in the mixdown so well that you basicly find hard to change with something else (even you can), i suppose virus still have some charm, some power....Hell maybe it has some "hidden frequency" like in 25th frame theory ?

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:50 am

Ingonator wrote:
hakey wrote:
tehlord wrote:It's just a fairly good one with an eye-wateringly expensive dongle.
ftfy
This is what i would call an expensive dongle (no instruments included):
http://www.sonic-core.net/shop/product_ ... ITE-1.html

Ingo

Actually it comes with a lot of instruments and fx

Is it something to bet on a Virus synth?