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hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:07 am

ariston wrote:
hakey wrote:I presume you were trying to make a point - without further explanation, that point will remain a mystery to everyone but yourself.
The point being: a great sound designer can make any instrument sound great.

The clip didn't sound particularly great to me (not, I hasten to add, that that's a reflection upon Himalaya's abilities as a sound designer).

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:09 am

hakey wrote:
ariston wrote:
hakey wrote:I presume you were trying to make a point - without further explanation, that point will remain a mystery to everyone but yourself.
The point being: a great sound designer can make any instrument sound great.
The clip didn't sound particularly great to me (not, I hasten to add, that that's a reflection upon Himalaya's abilities as a sound designer).

Ok I think everybody understood that you don't like Saurus. Should we go on and on for the next 80 pages or so?

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:10 am

that point will remain a mystery to everyone but yourself.

Well, no. I'm just waiting for more opinions. That clip wasn't directed at you alone, you know?

Patience my young padawan (I kid, I kid)

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:19 am

MaxSynths wrote:
hakey wrote:The clip didn't sound particularly great to me
Ok I think everybody understood that you don't like Saurus. Should we go on and on for the next 80 pages or so?

Never said that the clip was bad ("not great" ≠ "bad"), not even sure that it's Saurus - go back and read my comments.

himalaya wrote:Patience my young padawan

GeorgeZ · Post by **GeorgeZ** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:22 am

...hmmm, always forget the code for ≠ [know a couple of others off by heart, but can never remember the #s for inequality]

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:45 am

The 20 pages back cover different discussions - Saurus sound, saurus vs diva, Tone2 marketing ethics and then a couple poster X vs Poster Y pride fighting

So any argument that using any hints towards "Diva" in the marketing and that Saurus doesnt sound equally "analog" as Diva is not an argument saying that Saurus sounds BAD in any way.

Personally i feel the marketing to be lacking a bit of modesty. And that's a little understatement

The demo limitation is horrible and so far i've only spent maybe 15 minutes with it (and i have the cash to buy it should i want it). Turning the symmetry to get different waveforms .. well, Diversion is probably lightyears ahead here

The GUI seems to be the main "analog" about the synth. Now, that's not saying anything against the sound at all, just the marketing!

Pricepoint is great. As ttoz mentioned, the low price will warrant many buyers, will warrant many soundlibraries, will warrant more buyers. I wish more developers acknowledged that.

Apart from the "analog" in marketing, having 55 pages of hype before even a sound demo was released was brilliant. As i mentioned before, there was a guy who was making a Virus clone. He only had sound demos, no GUI. I guess you could say that GUI has, if not more, just about equal amount of importance for the average user. This is without even considering ergonomics like not having multiple pages or dropdowns.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:53 am

I just had another look at the waveform comparisons on this page:
http://tone2.com/html/true_analog_model ... hnolo.html

I have done samples of both the Saurus and the Diva Sawtooth myself and first i have to say that my sample from saurus matches exactly the picture at the page above. The sample from Diva (using the Moog oscillator) looks very similar but the phase is different (saw is down instead of up).
Obviously that sawtooth picture of a "competing virtual analog product" is NOT representing a waveform from Diva. So much about that one...

Ingo

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:05 am

Ingonator wrote:I just had another look at the waveform comparisons on this page:
http://tone2.com/html/true_analog_model ... hnolo.html

I have done samples of both the Saurus and the Diva Sawtooth myself and first i have to say that my sample from saurus matches exactly the picture at the page above. The sample from Diva (using the Moog oscillator) looks very similar but the phase is different (saw is down instead of up).
Obviously that sawtooth picture of a "competing virtual analog product" is NOT representing a waveform from Diva. So much about that one...

Ingo

"Sawtooth from a competing 'Virtual analog' product" - looks a little bit funny, there you can also take a 10 year old vst which was aimed to be a analog emulation synth, and logical through the time difference the "competing..." synth looks bad in the visual comparision.

Anyway, i tryed also yesterday the demo of Saurus, so far, really nice, the GUI is great and easy to use. The sound itself is defintively good, but hmmm compared to ACE and DIVA, which are surely the benchmark in this area atm, ACE & DIVA are still a step ahead based on the sound.
I personally mentioned also to buy Saurus, but, well, it's mainly just another synth(aimed to sound analog) and with synth's like ACE, D-CAM in the vst folder, aswell as with a Mopho on the desktop, i see there no big reason for my to buy it

One really good thing is, the low cpu usage, that's really great, much better as ACE & DIVA

The filter feedback sounds also not so nice i think, compared to Mopho for example. It gets to fast high frequencies inthere also by low or no resonance...

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:46 am

Crackbaby wrote:The 20 pages back cover different discussions - Saurus

You forgot to mention...what is another name for Thesaurus?

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:52 am

mcnoone wrote:
Crackbaby wrote:The 20 pages back cover different discussions - Saurus
You forgot to mention...what is another name for Thesaurus?

Synonymicon?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:14 pm

Ingonator wrote:I just had another look at the waveform comparisons on this page:
http://tone2.com/html/true_analog_model ... hnolo.html

I have done samples of both the Saurus and the Diva Sawtooth myself and first i have to say that my sample from saurus matches exactly the picture at the page above. The sample from Diva (using the Moog oscillator) looks very similar but the phase is different (saw is down instead of up).
Obviously that sawtooth picture of a "competing virtual analog product" is NOT representing a waveform from Diva. So much about that one...

Ingo

I did another test with the samples i made from both the Diva Minimoog Sawtooth and the Saw from Saurus. I made a single cycle wave from both and imported them into the same preset inside Synthmaster 2.5. With the single cycle based on the Diva Sawtooth the result seems to have some more low frequencies or a better "low end". Like somebody mentioned before some of the "magic" of the Diva sound is not just in the filter but also in the oscillator which based on this "experiment" i could confirm.
Anyway i would not say that Saurus is really bad in comparison.

UPDATE:
Here is a comparison of pictures made with a Signal Analyzer. the upper one is the Diva single cycle sawtooth in Synthmaster 2.5 and the lower the Saurus sawtooth single cycle with the same Synthmaster preset:
https://rapidshare.com/files/3363720826 ... ter_1_.png

the biggest difference seems to be in the region around 100 Hz. Maybe with the help of an EQ this difference could be changed/improved.

UPDATE:
I used the Stillwell VibeEQ Equalizer to "boost" the Frequency at 110 Hz (at the Low Shelf) and the result sounds very close to the example with the Diva waveform.
Here is the corresponding picture of the Signal Analyzer which looks almost identical to the Diva example (see above) now:
https://rapidshare.com/files/3037647787 ... _EQ_1_.png

Ingo

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:55 pm

Don't know what the fuss is about for 67 pages.
Saurus is not DIVA. Saurus is nice for what it is, not really Analog but sounds good enough for me to consider a purchase. "Analog circuit modeled [bla bla]" its just the latest shizizzle talk kids talk these days.. nothing to take serious..

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:03 pm

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mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:04 pm

Crackbaby wrote: Apart from the "analog" in marketing, having 55 pages of hype before even a sound demo was released was brilliant.

indeed.

... and the synth? ... is not, what i need/want/no Pavlov's dog effect ... and i love Gladiator and ElectraX ... ok. i admit, ElectraX didn't click in the beginning ... hmmm

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:06 pm

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