Based on the results above i created another audio demo of a Synth Brass preset i made with the Tone2 Saurus softsynth (same preset as in my first demo). In the first part of the track I used Saurus without any EQ and in the second part i used the Stillwell VibeEQ Equalizer to "boost" the fequency around 110 Hz (Low Shelf). In both examples the Stillwell Bombardier Buss Compressor was used:

http://soundcloud.com/ingoweidner/saurus-synth-brass

For those who would like to have better quality here is the WAV file:
https://rapidshare.com/files/2507967687/Ingo_Weidner_-_Sauru s_-_Synth_Brass_comparison_2.zip
Especially in the second part which uses more low frequencies Soundcloud seems to have some "trouble". The WAv file sounds OK in that part.


Ingo
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Waiting for the analog experts comments now...

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lol...yeah that was pretty sneaky Raphael.....I actually only heard the first one...as your clips sometimes take long to load in my browser...... truthfully it did sound analog but I didn't much like the sound.. so made no comments.

rsp

I judge a sound to be heard and not to any measurements.
A comparison between Synthmaster and DIVA is ridiculous.

I agree with the opinion that the synth should be judged on it's own merits, but at the end of the day, that's what will happen regardless. I mean, the 303 was released as a bass guitar substitute, but didn't really work as a bass replacement. However people soon found that they liked it for what it was, a cool synth.

I think the marketing of Saurus is hilarious and I can't take it seriously at all. If it's so carefully modeled, why does it come out sounding more like Gladiator/ElectraX VA than anything else?

I'm on the fence about it, only because I have too many synths that I already don't use enough. But it's still one I would recommend.

Dunno what the laugh is about

I wasted a considerable amount of time to recreate that sweep in Saurus

Oh I know it. If you tell to the assholes that a clip is Diva then it sounds good because it's Diva. If you tell that a real analog is Saurus then it sounds like shit.

This is the proof that people are talking out of their a**.
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That other filter sweep I posted is Saurus:
http://www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/Saurus/Steep_Res_Swee p2.wav

It actually has a similar growl to that Sh2 as the cutoff sweeps down.

That clip won't play for me at all. Doesn't matter though. While I have great respect for you as a sound designer and I like you as an "internet friend" , as a person who sells commercial sound banks and does patch design for commercial factory sets, your opinion is tainted by default. Of course you like any new software synth. I'm sure all the folks at Tone2 do as well. In fact, I can't remember you ever having a bad word to say about any software synth.

The way this looks to me is I see a parade going by and everyone is cheering for the emperor and all I see is a naked dude in a crown. Sure, maybe he's a good guy and worthy of a little parade, but he could probably stand to hit the gym some more, for someone who's leading a parade naked, and he's constantly sending out a public cryer to tell me I'm not a citizen yet until I pay the tax... and it's a bit hard to tell if I want to become a citizen because everything is covered with a ton of cellophane and tinsel... and by the time I hack it off I'm carted out of the land and then have to re-enter the country with my visitor visa yet again. Oh yeah, and there's big billboards all around that are telling me how good this naked emperor's country is compared to other countries. In the end though, I'm standing here and it's quite clear... the emperor has no clothes.

It was NO comparison between Synthmaster and Diva, it was a comparison of a sample (or better single cycle) from the Sawtooth of both Diva and Saurus IN Synthmaster. And besides that why should a comparison to Synthmaster be ridiculous, especially when using a sample or single cycle from the real thing?

Anyway hear my audio demo at the beginning of this page which is a result of those measurements, this time both in Saurus.
With the additional EQ in the Low Shelf i have more low end that i need. Could even cause a little trouble to my headphones when i use the EQ too much.

BTW is it normal that you are insulting me of not knowing what i'm doing? First time with the PPG like demo and now this one.


Ingo
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While there is some truth to the placebo effect, I don't think it's all been nonsense. From my perspective, Himalaya's sub osc sound was a very nice sound. I thought he was comparing two synths, but it turned out to be just one real analog with slightly different settings. But because he is very talented at getting close sound with different synths, and he had just been comparing DIVA and Saurus, I think that was a fair guess. No matter what synth made those sounds it sounded good.

The res sweep sound however I didn't care for personally, but I had no idea what made it. I think if he had wanted to make that sound with Saurus he could have. My point is, real analogs or "good" quality synths can make sounds that we personally don't like. Also, a synth with a distinctive digital sound in most scenarios can also be made to sound nice and analog with skillful porogramming.

So I think the fact that some people didn't like a specific clip and assumed it was Saurus (in a saurus thread!), isn't all the surprising...

You need to download it. WAV files don't play for me either in this KVR player, I need to download everything.

Thank you for your compliments re my work and such.

Is my opinion tainted? Please notice, what my opinion is: it is that coming from a balanced point of view. I do know where Saurus could be improved (others in this thread know it too), but at the same time I do know that it is far from digital harshness as some people state. Sure, it is possible to get harsh sounds in Suaurs, pile on feedback, drive, high res, perhaps some FM, etc...but if going for 'lush', lush and 'chunky organic' is there as well.

Yes, but the SH-2 doesn't have the aliasing bit going up at the beginning. I was wondering how you actually did that

Well, first of all you can always assume that it's in poor taste to cut down your competition. Second of all, when you're not quite as good as your competition you could probably dial down your "we're the best!" tone. I guess, when it comes down to it... I'm actually confused as to why Tone2 bothered developing this plug in. It's not the best VA software. Not by a long shot. It's cheapish, but I think Sawer is the same price and Vaz 2010 is cheaper, so it's not the cheapest. I guess the best thing I can say about it is it's got a cool way of creating non-standard waveforms with the PWM knob, but I've got an excellent complement of wavetable synths and frankly I'd buy Synthmaster of this in a heartbeat.

So anyway, that's just my take on it. Feel free to disagree, that's what a forum is for, but IMO if you don't have something significantly better or new to bring to the table in this age of tough competition, stay out of the race. This just seems like Tone2 thinking, "Crap, no one's talking about Electrax and everyone's talking about Diva! How do we get in on that action?"