CSR vs. Valhalla Room?

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

I used CSR near-exclusively for years, but VRoom just sounds better and is easier/faster to use if you ask me. Plus, it's already 64bit. They're both good, but if I could only have one it would be VRoom, no contest. In fact, I'd probably take VRoom over a lot of high end algorithmic hardware verbs.

[Bronto Scorpio]

I used CSR near-exclusively for years, but VRoom just sounds better and is easier/faster to use if you ask me. Plus, it's already 64bit. They're both good, but if I could only have one it would be VRoom, no contest. In fact, I'd probably take VRoom over a lot of high end algorithmic hardware verbs.

[digitalboytn]

I'm sure you've already discovered KVR tends to have a hive mentality that chases the latest "shiny new thing" and seems to have an knee-jerk aversion to the industry standard plugins from established developers such as IK Multimedia and Waves. Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment.

This is of course in no way directed at Sean's plugins, just a general pattern you have to be aware of on KVR.

I don't think this is entirely true...

Every industry targets consumers who lust after the latest shiny incarnation, but the information that is shared on these forums can help us to make better informed decisions...

Many of the people who add to the debate around here are seasoned professionals who have been around long enough not to be blinded by the glow of the "shiny new thing"...

There are some great independent software developers out there - some who have moved away from the bigger "corporate model" - and it's encouraging to see this development happening - almost like the cottage industries of old...

Of course,this irks the companies who like to regard themselves as the "industry standard",but this is to be expected

It's always good for the consumer to make researched and well informed decisions and the KVR forum is a place for healthy and intelligent debate..

It's a hive of activity for sure,but it's just not for bees

[JeffSanders]

Both are great options. Vroom is my new favorite for the time being. But CSR is a classic. I'd have no problem making it my only reverb.

[Sampleconstruct]

"Industry standard plugin" is just a vacuous phrase...

[MacQ]

ValhallaRoom, definitely. Amazing deal from a really nice dude.

~Stu

[jensa]

CSR development is ongoing and active as well. 64-bit support is in development, along with a few other surprises.

Well, active as you see it as an insider, as outsiders we KNOW Sean is listening to the users and he gives us some quite insight into what he have done, is doing, and will do. That's what active means to me.

As standalone suggests, get the one YOU like best.
We have a fully working 10-day DEMO of CSR. Download it. And make your decision based on that.

CSR, great reverbs but with 4 different plugins means you can't dial in a sound on one type of reverb and just switch to another algorithm without re-dialing again. I hope and guess that's one of the things IK is gonna fix with the updated version, otherwise I will not bother to use them. Takes to much time and time is valuable.

DO keep in mind that CSR is not going to remain $50. It is $50 right now because of our limited-time sale.

True, great price. Though, there's sometime the occasion where you can get them cheap included with another product. That's the way IK do business. No opinion about that.

I'm sure you've already discovered KVR tends to have a hive mentality that chases the latest "shiny new thing" and seems to have an knee-jerk aversion to the industry standard plugins from established developers such as IK Multimedia and Waves. Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment. This is of course in no way directed at Sean's plugins, just a general pattern you have to be aware of on KVR.

Well, this is Brian @ IK Multimedia and what he thinks about (some of) the KVR people. I think quite the contrary, like digitalboytn said earlier. I'm not affiliated with any VST-plugin maker though.

Buy both, they're worth it.

[hibidy]

valhallaroom.

A x64 great sounding verb. It's go to and I have some beauties!

[Integratron]

Get the demos of each and let your ears be the judge. I have Ios, Adverb, Valhallaroom and CSR. These are all great reverbs but CSR from IK Multimedia has been my personal favorite throughout the years and still is to this day. Some users complain that it's old, it doesn't have many presets and the reverb is segmented (separate Hall, Plate, Room, Inverse VSTe) or too metallic.

The sound is breathtaking IMHO... very complex and detailed. I find that it is really easy to setup and save your own presets as there are many parameters, all with full automation. I like the old classic studio reverbs like the EMT and AKG and CSR has the most accurate emulation of these old units.

Many users have paid hundreds for CSR reverb but for a limited time, it is available as a download at the IK Multimedia site for a limited time for $49.00

And no, I do not work for IK.

More info here: http://ikmultimedia.com/csr/features/

[justin3am]

I'm sure you've already discovered KVR tends to have a hive mentality that chases the latest "shiny new thing" and seems to have an knee-jerk aversion to the industry standard plugins from established developers such as IK Multimedia and Waves. Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment.

This is of course in no way directed at Sean's plugins, just a general pattern you have to be aware of on KVR.

No, no, nothing against Sean's plug-ins... just blatantly insulting to KVR members. Stay classy IK.

I can totally recommend Valhalla Room. it sounds great, it's very flexible and still easy to use. Don't trust me though, check out the demo. Also check out the samples from Bronto Scorpio and Sample Construct. Great stuff.

[debra1rlo]

Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment.

Not me, I don't use that foo foo euro metric system. My abandonware and forgotten plugins are all in quart and pint size containers. AS THEY SHOULD BE.

[heffus]

Not coincidentally, KVR users' VSTplugins folders tend to be litered with abandonware and forgotten plugins that never quite lived up to the hype of the moment.

Not me, I don't use that foo foo euro metric system. My abandonware and forgotten plugins are all in quart and pint size containers. AS THEY SHOULD BE.

Nice.

[Coil]

i have both and suggest you to buy valhallaroom.

i would never buy anything again from that other company

[hibidy]

i have both and suggest you to buy valhallaroom.

i would never buy anything again from that other company

The saddest thing is they have done some nice things for me. It's not like they are just this evil company. But yeah, that commenting went too far for a business. Anyways, I just don't care for the sound of csr, never have. ymmv

[rasmusklump]

For me the sound of CSR is everything else than breathtaking. I just can't get it to sound right in a mix. I own it since that Sample Tank groupbuy 3 or 4 years ago but hva never used it in a mix in the end...

I don't remember your system specs, but if you are on windows you should also check Epicverb. This one I can't make sound bad and it sits in the mix. And its free.

Alex