KVR Audio

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:47 pm

AKJ wrote:if it is like that you have to purchase the pack upgrade it is really bad for people who bought it in the past. We did not have the choice of getting 64 bit windows vst only. So if we want 64 bit we need to buy the pack. Not a good policy if true...

Maybe they should offer the 128-bit version now too. Just in case that's all someone wants to buy.

It seems clear to me. The 64-bit version is different from the 32-bit. If you only bought one version, instead of multiple, why should you get multiple now? When/If they go AAX, should the single RTAS buyers get it free?

OhmForce are very clear about the single/pack difference.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:53 pm

I'm hoping it's just a problem in translation, but from what I see, you need to buy the pack license at €99 to get both 32 bit and 64bit for your platform, but I think you get all the others too, (RTAS VST AU)

Single licenses are for either 32 bit or 64 bit in either RTAS , VST or AU.

But like I said , I hope this is a mistake, as if it's not, Ohmforce will be the only company I know of that charges for the 64 bit and 32 bit version of the same plug-in.

I'd sooner swap my 32bit version for 64bit, if that's not possible, I forsee a lot of Ohmforce products for sale lol

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:55 pm

khanyz wrote:
AKJ wrote:if it is like that you have to purchase the pack upgrade it is really bad for people who bought it in the past. We did not have the choice of getting 64 bit windows vst only. So if we want 64 bit we need to buy the pack. Not a good policy if true...
Maybe they should offer the 128-bit version now too. Just in case that's all someone wants to buy.

It seems clear to me. The 64-bit version is different from the 32-bit. If you only bought one version, instead of multiple, why should you get multiple now? When/If they go AAX, should the single RTAS buyers get it free?

OhmForce are very clear about the single/pack difference.

Um no, I have 32bit, 64bit wasn't available when I bought it, or i'd have got that. So the least they can do is give ppl who bought the 32bit in the hope one day they'd do what pretty much every company does when they can, and do the 64bit. To charge €20 for a 64bit version is a rip off, and just to get a bunch of other versions which are of no use to most.

I am on windows , so I want VST 32 and 64, I couldnt care less about AU, VST RTAS or AAX for Mac.

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:03 pm

FXpandion charged extra to cover the dev costs. Also, the pack price means you aren't paying for the formats you don't use. You are just paying a bit extra to cover the ones you do. It isn't excessive, IMO.

And buying something with very clear and specific licensing, and "hoping" it's something else. Words fail me... so

AKJ · Post by **AKJ** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:22 pm

absolutely agree with LeVzi. they can charge whatever they want to but I am going to support this policy. I will use the 32 bit version bridged and never ever buy again from ohmforce.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:38 pm

I'm sure I used to have access to more than just the Windows version though. I know I used to have access to the Performer version of Symptohm at one time as well as the Full version but now all I can see is the 32 bit full version. Has my license been downgraded or something?

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:00 pm

I'll wait on the official word from Ohmforce.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:02 pm

khanyz wrote:FXpandion charged extra to cover the dev costs. Also, the pack price means you aren't paying for the formats you don't use. You are just paying a bit extra to cover the ones you do. It isn't excessive, IMO.

And buying something with very clear and specific licensing, and "hoping" it's something else. Words fail me... so

Not interested in what FXPansion did, an awful lot more dev's made the 64bit jump and offered them to existing 32bit customers free.

And you are paying additional for formats you won't use. I won't use AAX, RTAS, AU or Mac VST, so I don't want nor need them. The 64bit port is not worth €20 when it actually bridges ok, I just think it's a bad decision from them. But like I said before, i'll wait on their official word, maybe they'll allow single license users to swap from 32 to 64 bit.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:46 pm

Not sure I follow, but it has been customary for people to charge for updates in the past.

NI charged for EACH PRODUCT to be updated to UB (30 bucks each I think)

Ableton charged I think it was 50 bucks to go from 5 to 5.2 (UB) and though I can't name every one I've seen a few charge to go x64. (two I can remember were sonalksis and URS I think?)

It's not the norm though. NI didn't charge a cent for x64 (hell, they even made the free kore player x64) and many others like IK updated at no charge. In fact, I was one of the ones who jumped on x64 a couple of years ago when there were not than many x64 plugs and I'm 100% x64 now.......I can't think of anyone I had to pay for

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:27 pm

If this was Ohmcide 2, or the other plug-ins were version 2 then i'd have no problem at all paying for a new version.

But this is literally just 64bit versions of the same thing. One that in fact works alright bridged. So to me it's a case of €20 for the 64bit version of what I have, or stick with the bridged version.

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:31 pm

I think you underestimate the effort required to convert a code base to 64-bit. There's no "just" about it.

emtear · Post by **emtear** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:36 pm

aMUSEd wrote:I'm sure I used to have access to more than just the Windows version though. I know I used to have access to the Performer version of Symptohm at one time as well as the Full version but now all I can see is the 32 bit full version. Has my license been downgraded or something?

Isn't the performer edition freeware?

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:37 pm

khanyz wrote:I think you underestimate the effort required to convert a code base to 64-bit. There's no "just" about it.

A point to be sure, but countless others have NOT charged. Surely, they didn't have it any easier

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:16 pm

hibidy wrote:A point to be sure, but countless others have NOT charged. Surely, they didn't have it any easier

Indeed, but my point is that (IMO) adding 64-bit is equivalent to adding another format.

Now, if you purchased a license with multiple formats, then it would seems fair to offer a new format for free. In the end, you would still have a multiple format license. If the dev considered the addition too great for a minor update, they could just make it a new release, with upgrade.

However, if you bought a single format, then why should you get another format for free, thereby giving you a multiple format license.

I am usually hard on devs for pulling licensing and copy protection crap, but the converse is also true. You shouldn't, as a customer, buy something and then expect to change the terms when something new comes along. Obviously, it's worth a try, but not whining about.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:59 pm

So to own the 32 bit and 64bit you need to pay more than you would if you purchased one or the other. I don't know or can think of one single dev that does this.

Ohm Force plug-ins going 64bit