i didnt say neither of them where great writers, i stated that i didnt like either of them.

part of the issue with shakespaeare for me is the way his works where forced upon me at school, similar to codec spurt, while i dont like to read the works i have enjoyed theatre productions of the works, but then ive also seen bad theatre productions of the same works.

same thing with stephen king, ive never really enjoyed his books, but some of the films of his works have been great, others not so

im sure at his time shakespeare was the writer everybody would read, at least those who could read or those works that where available. thats part of the problem with most writers ive read, they dont sit well in the future, its not the writers fault, its such things as society change, language evolution and such things.

another example would be the scifi writers of today, as we reach the futures they foretell, im sure that they will become a little outdated and not speak to as many folk as they do today.


as for writers i enjoy, rather than think are great, jeff noon, lewis carrol, tolkien, william gibson, james joyce, virginia woolf and so on...

i dont think people should read what they are told is great i think people should find stuff that speaks to them and that they personally enjoy.

not sure what this has to do with phil collins though

Re-reading "The Magic Mountain" at the moment. The passages describing the death of Hans Castorp's grandfather in "The Baptismal Bowl" are startlingly brilliant. The very epitome of a novel of ideas.

this.

Meffy, is it possible, to automatically ban people that open a thread about Phil Collins ?

Just when I was thinking of moving it to OT, it swings back to the (musical) topic. [Shakes fist.] What about the vocal range of Thomas Mann?

I bet he sounded like Leonard Cohen.

Well to be fair, I think just a verbal warning if his drumming is praised or the poster acknowledges that Genesis were better with Gabriel as vocalist...

As a child, I thought he and Bill Murray were the same guy.

I'll stick up for ol' Phil, never minded his voice. At least he seemed passionate about what he was saying, as opposed to a lotta other pop. "The Roof Is Leaking" comes to mind.

ps "Turn It On Again" was great pop-Genesis.

pss Now I must go and watch American Psycho again for P.Bateman's analysis of the situation. Hey Paul!

and pss: Brand X with Collins, and without, has some awesome stuff. Much of which is vocal-free if you like only his drumming...

And that's the problem, right there...

not to mention all his charidy work

nothing wrong with a bit of PC.....he's written some good tunes in his time

shame ppl hate on success, smacks of jealousy

i suspect "ppl" are "hating on" phil collins, rather than success

I dont hate Phil Collins. I have never met him. Only things I know about him is that he has been singing in a boring band. When I hear him singing I cant help to think if this guy is going to make it through this song without bursting a blood vessel in his brain.
Sorry 'bout this rant but I have good friends who are nice guys otherwise but have made me suffer Genesis and Pink Floyd too many times when having parties.

and would they be hating on him if he wasnt so successful? no