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standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:45 pm

ghettosynth wrote:However, the crux of my point, is that WHATEVER it is, it doesn't affect the other host, this is also irrefutable.

And the other plugins inside Cubase? If only Reaktor crashes, why not blame Reaktor using your reasoning?

ghettosynth wrote:No matter how many causes that you invent to divert the blame of instability away from cubase, this will ALWAYS be true, across multiple hosts, and multiple systems, all freshly installed, all adequate.

For only one user: you. Your issue with Cubase is insignificant for the rest of users and depicting it as substandar or unestable just because of this (the incompatibility of Cubase with just one plugin for just one user) is hilarious.

ghettosynth wrote:So, if what one desires is stability, then by avoiding cubase, one can avoid all of the things that cubase is sensitive to. One can use, instead, software from people who seem to understand how to write software that is less sensitive to memory leaks in plugins...

Again, it's only you. Wake up.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:51 pm

ghettosynth wrote:Cubase was unstable across multiple systems, with multiple plugins. This isn't exactly news, it's well understood that cubase has stability concerns.

http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic. ... 5cc63d5f4c

1. When I switch to a Word document - Cubase Crashes
2. When I click on a flash control in a web page - Cubase Crashes
3. When I use Reverence and save a file - Cubase Crashes on load
4. Sometimes when not doing anything much, just playing back a track, Cubase Crashes
5. Sometimes Cubase hangs on loading a project
6. Now and again when opening a newly inserted plug in Cubase Crashes

That forum was closed two years ago and that thread (again, one thread from one user) is from three years ago! Hardly a flood of crashes.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:52 pm

standalone wrote:For me it's Reaper + Kontakt = crash. It happened with Reaper 3 and Kontakt 3 in the past and happens now with Reaper 4 and Kontakt 4. Does it mean that Reaper is a substandard bla, bla, bla...

No if I'm the only one that experiences this.

Reaper sucks.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:55 pm

hibidy wrote:
standalone wrote:For me it's Reaper + Kontakt = crash. It happened with Reaper 3 and Kontakt 3 in the past and happens now with Reaper 4 and Kontakt 4. Does it mean that Reaper is a substandard bla, bla, bla...

No if I'm the only one that experiences this.
Reaper sucks.

No, it's my fault. It's always user's fault. Believe in Reaper!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:56 pm

You guys have done it now.................

When you learn to get along, then the punishment will stop.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:58 pm

You forgot the Reaper cat

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat May 12, 2012 8:59 pm

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat May 12, 2012 9:02 pm

standalone wrote:You forgot the Reaper cat

I did that on purpose, reaper sucks.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Sat May 12, 2012 9:12 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
standalone wrote:For me it's Reaper + Kontakt = crash. It happened with Reaper 3 and Kontakt 3 in the past and happens now with Reaper 4 and Kontakt 4. Does it mean that Reaper is a substandard bla, bla, bla...

No if I'm the only one that experiences this.
Probably not, and my first guess would be that it was in Kontakt. The same thoughts occurred to me with Reaktor and Cubase, that the problem was with NI. After all, these are also substantial programs with a long history and potentially large memory footprints.

In fact, that's why initially I just gave up on using reaktor as a VST because I had read that others thought that it was unstable as a VST. To be clear though, cubase was not stable for me even without using Reaktor, it's just that Reaktor was a standout.

Because of this frustration, I switched to Reason and got a lot of work done, but, I wanted to use Reaktor again (as a plugin), so I started looking at other hosts.

What I found was two things:

1) Other hosts, EVERY HOST THAT I TRIED, were stable.

But, wait, my system had changed, cubase had been updated, maybe cubase was stable too? Maybe I could bet back to all of that work that I started and gave up on?

2) Nope new installs of cubase on new systems were STILL unstable compared to other hosts.

I can load 5.5.3 right now, bring in Reaktor, and probably work in it for several hours without problem. Then again, it might crash within fifteen minutes. Almost without exception, cubase has crashed at least once in every session longer than an hour that I've used it. That's from version 5.0 through 5.53. Again, on multiple systems, all new components, across different OSes, etc.

Google:

reaktor crashes reaper 2.600.000

reaktor crashes cubase 553.000

reaktor crashes protools 494.000

ghettosynth wrote:Since the first attempt to give cubase a second chance, I have gone through two more system changes, and the same pattern holds.

Then it's something that you always install in all your systems, probably some hardware's drivers.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat May 12, 2012 9:22 pm

hibidy wrote:Reaper sucks.

That's triple reverse multidimensional psychology.

Clever.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat May 12, 2012 9:39 pm

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:12 am

From Reason to Cubase.... Why Cubase.
If someone suggested to you.... Stay away from that "someone".
Demo demo and demo before even consider such a inter-dimentional jump from Reason.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:39 am

LawrenceF wrote:
hibidy wrote:Reaper sucks.
That's triple reverse multidimensional psychology. Clever.

It does.

What could one expect when switching Reason to Cubase?